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Since I've recently begun to collect Dark Angels and got an amazing deal on the Dark Vengeance set I've made a small army list and I'd like some pointers on diversity, situational options and general effectiveness from the pros. I know it's very infantry heavy but when you can a set with 20 marines in it after purchasing a tactical squad you know you should use them.

I'm aiming for a 2000 pts army but it's nice to have a ton of optional models to use when you need them.

So far I have

2 company masters (One is a spare)
2 Librarians
30 tactical squads marines 3 squads of 10 each (sergeants included)
5 Devastator Squad
6 Ravenwing Bikers (2 squads of 3 but swapping out the extra sergeant)
10 Deathwing Terminators (2 squads 2 sergeants)
1 Dreadnought

Mostly I got loads of marines in the Dark Vengeance set and so I should utilise them, in hindsight I should have probably bought it first before a separate tactical and devastator squad. I plan to buy a Land raider crusader and maybe a Ravenwing support skimmer.

All Additions/Subtractions/Disintegrations welcome.

HQ

Company Master 180 pts

-Combi-Plasma
-Power Sword
-Artificer Armour
-Perfidious Relic of the Unforgiven
-Portable Field Generator
-Iron Halo
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Librarian 155 pts

-Lv 2 Psyker (Generate 2 Powers)
-Force Sword
-Bolt pistol
-Power Armour
-Displacement Field
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Grenades
-Psychic Hood

Librarian 165 pts

-Lv 2 Psyker (Generate 2 Powers)
-Force Sword
-Combi-Plasma
-Power Armour
-Displacement Field
-Krak Grenades
-Frag Grenades
-Psychic Hood

ELITES

Dreadnought 155 pts

-Power Fist
-Build-in Storm Bolter
-Plasma Cannon
-Searchlights
-Smoke Launchers
-Venerable Dreadnought
-Extra Armour

Deathwing Terminator Squad A: 245 pts

Deathwing Sergeant

-Storm Bolter
-Power Sword
-Terminator Armour

4 Deathwing Terminators

- 1 x Assault Cannon + Power Fist
- 1 x Storm Bolter + Chainfist
- 2 x Storm Bolter + Power Fist

Deathwing Terminator Squad B: 245 pts

Deathwing Sergeant

-Storm Bolter
-Power Sword
-Terminator Armour

Deathwing Terminators x 4

- 1 x Assault Cannon + Power Fist
- 1 x Storm Bolter + Chainfist
- 2 x Storm Bolter + Power Fist

TROOPS

Tactical Squad 1:190 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Power Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Missile Launcher
-1 x Meltagun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Tactical Squad 2:185 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chain Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Plasma Gun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Tactical Squad 3: 185 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chain Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Plasma Gun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

FAST ATTACK

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 191

Ravenwing Sergeant

-Chainsword
-Power Armour
-Twin Linked Boltgun
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Teleport Homer

Ravenwing Bikers x 5

-Bolt Pistol x 3
-Plasma gun x 2
-Power Armour
-Twin Linked Boltgun
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Teleport Homer

HEAVY SUPPORT

Devastator Squad 145 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chainsword
-Signum
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Power Armour

Marines x 4

-1x Multi-Melta
-2 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Lascannon
-Power Armour
-Bolt Pistol
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Land Raider Crusader 250 pts

-Twin Linked Assault Cannon
-Hurricane Bolter x 2
-Frag Assault Launchers
-Searchlight
-Smoke Launchers
 

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Company Master 180 pts

-Combi-Plasma
-Power Sword
-Artificer Armour
-Perfidious Relic of the Unforgiven
-Portable Field Generator
-Iron Halo
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
Combi-Plasma will stop you charging, swap for a Combi-Melta. Power Sword with a Combi-Weapon is strictly inferior to a Lightning Claw. Perfidious Relic is useless. Power Field Generator will give your opponents Invulns against your attacks, and give you little to no benefit due to your own Iron Halo and your only combat units being Terminators.

Librarian 155 pts

-Lv 2 Psyker (Generate 2 Powers)
-Force Sword
-Bolt pistol
-Power Armour
-Displacement Field
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Grenades
-Psychic Hood
Not sure the Displacer Field's totally necessary; with only two wounds, I'd honestly bring the Conversion Field instead. Ends up a little on the pricey side though, I'm pretty sure that loadout should come to 115pts with the Conversion Field, 125pts with the Displacer. 155pts seems way out.

Librarian 165 pts

-Lv 2 Psyker (Generate 2 Powers)
-Force Sword
-Combi-Plasma
-Power Armour
-Displacement Field
-Krak Grenades
-Frag Grenades
-Psychic Hood
Either he's a shooty guy and doesn't need the invuln, or he's a combat guy and should be wearing Terminator Armour rather than having a Combi-Weapon in Power Armour.

Dreadnought 155 pts

-Power Fist
-Build-in Storm Bolter
-Plasma Cannon
-Searchlights
-Smoke Launchers
-Venerable Dreadnought
-Extra Armour
Lose the Extra Armour, needs a Drop Pod. Venerable is also probably irrelevant on a Blast weapon dude.

Deathwing Terminator Squad A/B

Deathwing Sergeant

-Storm Bolter
-Power Sword
-Terminator Armour

4 Deathwing Terminators

- 1 x Assault Cannon + Power Fist
- 1 x Storm Bolter + Chainfist
- 2 x Storm Bolter + Power Fist
I think the Plasma Cannon beats the Assault Cannon, and Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield is the only good loadout, but you can roll Storm Bolters and not be too laughably terrible.

Tactical Squad 1:190 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Power Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Missile Launcher
-1 x Meltagun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
Plasma Pistol is a waste of points, Power Sword is a waste of points, Missile Launcher is worse than the Multi-Melta or Lascannon, and they need a Drop Pod or Rhino. Combi-Weapon on the Sergeant is an acceptable purchase.

Tactical Squad 2:185 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chain Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Plasma Gun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
Similar deal.

Tactical Squad 3: 185 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chain Sword
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades

Marines x 9

-7 x Bolters
-1 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Plasma Gun
-Bolt Pistol
-Power Armour
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
Why so many footslogging Tactical Marines? These guys really want Drop Pods and preferably one of the fancy banners.

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 191

Ravenwing Sergeant

-Chainsword
-Power Armour
-Twin Linked Boltgun
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Teleport Homer

Ravenwing Bikers x 5

-Bolt Pistol x 3
-Plasma gun x 2
-Power Armour
-Twin Linked Boltgun
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Teleport Homer
Entirely acceptable.

Devastator Squad 145 pts

Sergeant

-Plasma Pistol
-Chainsword
-Signum
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
-Power Armour

Marines x 4

-1x Multi-Melta
-2 x Plasma Cannon
-1 x Lascannon
-Power Armour
-Bolt Pistol
-Frag Grenades
-Krak Grenades
Don't mix weapons in a squad. Take all Lascannons.

Land Raider Crusader 250 pts

-Twin Linked Assault Cannon
-Hurricane Bolter x 2
-Frag Assault Launchers
-Searchlight
-Smoke Launchers
Would really benefit from a pintle Multi-Melta and something better to go inside it, like Deathwing Knights.

I'd drop the Company Master (too many HQs for a Combined Arms Detachment without getting more Troops), use the points to put all the Tacticals and the Dreadnought in a Drop Pod. Upgrade Librarians to Terminator Armour. Replace one Deathwing Squad with a Deathwing Command Squad who go in the Land Raider, give them the Banner of Fortitude or Banner of Devastation and TH/SS. Exchange the other unit for Deathwing Knights. Drop all the unnecessary upgrades, should give you enough points.
 

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I'd drop the Company Master (too many HQs for a Combined Arms Detachment without getting more Troops), use the points to put all the Tacticals and the Dreadnought in a Drop Pod. Upgrade Librarians to Terminator Armour. Replace one Deathwing Squad with a Deathwing Command Squad who go in the Land Raider, give them the Banner of Fortitude or Banner of Devastation and TH/SS. Exchange the other unit for Deathwing Knights. Drop all the unnecessary upgrades, should give you enough points.
Did not know conversion fields gave the enemy invulnerable saves too, Noted.

I was going to go Ravenwing based and have a ton of fast attack supported by skimmers for hit and run sprees, but they have few hull points and terrible armour.

I was intending to scrap a tactical squad but they all came with only plasma weaponry so I'm kinda stuck with it. Same with the terminator loadouts, came with what is equipped with not much else as alternatives. Thankfully I spent only £65 for what I have so I can easily swap some stuff out.

What would you reccomend if I wanted to be more fast attack based? What do you make of the Jetfighter and Dark Talon?
 

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Did not know conversion fields gave the enemy invulnerable saves too, Noted.
Power Field Generator and Conversion Fields are two totally different things - if you meant Conversion Field, then still don't bring it because you get an Iron Halo already.

I was going to go Ravenwing based and have a ton of fast attack supported by skimmers for hit and run sprees, but they have few hull points and terrible armour.
Ravenwing is basically the way to run Dark Angels since their book is in so many ways Space Marines Alpha Release; Sammael (or Azrael in a Guard Blob, as is perhaps more common), 5-man Ravenwing Command Squad with Grenade Launcher, Apothecary and Standard of Devastation, four units of six Ravenwing Bikers with Multi-Melta Attack Bikes, maybe some Black Knights for more Grenade Launchers.

What would you reccomend if I wanted to be more fast attack based? What do you make of the Jetfighter and Dark Talon?
The Dark Angel flyers are absolute jokes, don't bring them. If you want air power, bring the Stormwing Formation from Space Marines (Stormraven and two Storm Talons). The Nephilim is 'terrible' rather than the Dark Talon which is 'unuseably poor', but neither of them will ever make it into a list.
 
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