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Absolute gopping mess. I'm going to preface this, with a 1.5/10, and maybe lower. The worst book in the Heresy series, and yes, I'm including Battle for the Abyss, Prospero Burns, AND the Outcast Dead in this list. Know No Fear and Fear to Tread, despite fairly poor writing actually have the saving grace of "shit happens".

The Iron Hands, about as cool an idea as possible, Terminators in Power Armour, Flesh is weak, replace with logical machines, and yet the Primarch realised that his sons were going too far, in some poetic parallel with the Word Bearers.

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SO BORING?

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SO FUCKING IDIOTIC?

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT HAVE FRIDGE LOGIC? IT'S A KIND OF FUCKING LOGIC.

It's Bolter Porn, and not even good Bolter porn. It's Space Marine Battles novel, with references to Chapter's Ctrl+F'd and replaced with Legions, with the tick-box BL seem to have of having three legions mentioned per novel that seems to be the running trend (TUE; UM, DA, BA/TVS; UM, BA, SoH/DoP; IH/RG/Sal) to have it labled a Heresy novel.

Nothing important happens. A few Space Marines start off with X plot armoured characters go to a world, kill something to tick the "ooh kill'em" box, then they go back to the planet, where people begin to die, and some fucking idiot can't read the writing on the wall, and the Space Marines have the ability to read threat indicators like a blind 3 year old.

They deserve to die, and you want them to die for being such cunting retards.

There is one interesting bit - the demon summoned (you might as well know, you can spot it a mile off, and I'll save you £10+) is an anagram of Lamiad. This is either intentional, or about the shittest name for the BBEG since... nope. It's the shittest name ever. Madail? Seriously? Mad Ale? Fucking hell.

The characters are not even that. They're caricatures of extremes of the legions used as a statement, and very poorly.

The words written are of an entirely different story, then run through a Thesaurus to give it some false je ne sais quoi, some form of fake integrity and depth that some vapid twat you're speaking to uses big words to make themselves sound more intelligent. This isn't just the typical overbearing bumf you're used to in 40K where they make up words all the time. This is purposely annoying uses of deliberately archaic terminology.

Annandale is not established or capable enough to pull it off.

And the end of the story? Everyone dies, pointlessly and needlessly. It's a self contained book, with no references to the Primarchs short of Ferrus Manus is dead, and no characters you were aware of (sans some minor short, IIRC?), nor need to care about. Even the shitty subplot of Vengeful Spirit with Loken was better written (because really? Who got Vengeful spirit to read about Loken? I got it to see Horus in action with the Mournival in tow).

This is the worst book in the entire series.



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I have absolutely no interest in this book anyway, might be my fight HH book in this series that i will never read. It is just a meaningless sidestory so it seems. Good to hear something really negative about books aswell, some people here normally gives too much credit to novels of HH series.

Makes me ask, should they start put these to Space marine battles novels category or start producing their own HH: Space marine battles series. They could even add battles from Great crusade era.
 

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It really pains me to say this but I believe ghostwriting is something that is taking place behind the scenes in BL.
I'm actually eighteen separate entities, and not one of the fuckers can hit a deadline. It's tragic.

David's just one guy, though. Trust me, there's no ghostwriting. There's no reason or need for it. It'd serve no purpose.
 

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Our beloved Dead.Blue.Clown - where is the 'Master of Mankind'? We have nothing to read. At least give us Sevatar to chat with :grin:
 

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Our beloved Dead.Blue.Clown - where is the 'Master of Mankind'? We have nothing to read. At least give us Sevatar to chat with :grin:
I've been writing other stuff lately. There's some Sev stuff on the way, but I've not been feeling the Heresy vibe of late, so I wanted to do other things pre-MoM.

But this isn't the thread for such things (I was only trying to defend David's good name above), so I'll bail out here.
 

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I agree that it this book has no place in the Heresy series. With a few minor alterations it'd work as a Space Marines Battle novel just fine.

The Iron Hands being caricatures is not exclusive to this book though. There are barely any members of this Chapter/Legion that come to my mind whose character extends beyond "The flesh is weak!".
 

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I agree that it this book has no place in the Heresy series. With a few minor alterations it'd work as a Space Marines Battle novel just fine.

The Iron Hands being caricatures is not exclusive to this book though. There are barely any members of this Chapter/Legion that come to my mind whose character extends beyond "The flesh is weak!".
Why did it even need to be made?

Apparently it adds 0 to the storyline and just focuses on random space marines fighting dinosaurs. It hurts the integrity of the IP.
 

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Shit... I don't want to read this. I can't believe this is a book. Though I'm sure there is a critical piece that will bring further contribution to the series as a whole. I actually think I have some of the same tastes as Vaz, but I will say that even the really bad novels have had a certain aspect that makes the heresy's foundations. For example, I really hate Deliverance Lost and Angel Exterminatus but there is some vague sense to it. For example, the explanation of number replenishments in the traitor legions and even conflict within the traitor legions. But dang they are bad stories.
 

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I believe I had said all of this in the 'rate what you read' thread. :so_happy:

Certainly puts me off the Iron Hands as well. No more Iron Hands please. Ever.
 

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Prospero Burns, AND the Outcast Dead in this list.
Prospero Burns is much better than Outcast Dead, though the title is very misleading

Know No Fear and Fear to Tread, despite fairly poor writing actually have the saving grace of "shit happens".
Know No Fear is well written. Fear to Tread is shite
 

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I'll just add my voice to this as a counterpoint. As I was reading, I never had the thought that this would be such an unpopular read, and I came away with a wildly different opinion from the majority (that has posted thus far). I thought very highly of the book altogether, though the second half seemed to drone on with not much that I found interesting.

The idea of this being a story with no relevance to the rest of the Heresy is off base. If nothing else, the epilogue is one giant 'To Be Continued,' with a BBEG (as the OP termed it) let losse and needing to be accounted for. With very little mental arithmetic, you can see how this would clear up one of the series' major plot holes for the future. That alone is a (minor) progression of the storyline, and probably the most important thing to take from the book. If dinosaur fights are your major takeaway, you may have been focusing on the wrong things.

The part I was most struck by, however, was the opening half of the story, before the cultists are introduced and the legions land on Pythos for the second time. This is the portion of the story that focused on the fallout of one of the larger storylines of the Heresy - the death of Ferrus Manus and what it means to the surviving Iron Hands. It really hadn't been addressed to any meaningful degree before Pythos. The Sevatar short (Prince of Crows) covered the chaos of the almost-death of Curze and how the Night Lords coped. And Riven scraped the surface of the Hands post-Isstvan trauma for the Hands. This book goes so much further in depth, including the effects on the serfs and human descendants of Medusa. If nothing else is of interest, at the very least it is worthwhile to see where the legion's rage comes from and how they are able to use it to guide them. The most important and beautiful passages of the book deal directly with this idea and (IMO) are as impressive as any passages that I've seen in the Heresy to this point.
 

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I'll just add my voice to this as a counterpoint.

I find myself also on the positive side of this book. It's not the best one by a long shot, but I found it a decent read which, for me, gave a nice view of marines confronting chaos for the first time. A 40k marine would notice the signs on the wall and storm in, killing all the potential cultists while sceaming heresy at the top of his lungs. Here they are far more cautious about the situation, not knowing how to handle all the stuff that happens and what it means. Sure the book is hamfisted in places, but overall I enjoyed it.
 

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There are at least four people in this thread ranting about a book they have not even read. Give me a break! I'm about half way through and really enjoying it. So far its a hell of a lot better that anything McNeill had done in the series lately.
 

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There are at least four people in this thread ranting about a book they have not even read. Give me a break! I'm about half way through and really enjoying it. So far its a hell of a lot better that anything McNeill had done in the series lately.
In regards to your first comment - who is ranting about the book they've not read? There are people saying that they might not pick it up/read it because of the piss poor reviews it has got (and this isn't the extreme outliers or radicals, these are pretty much 50/50, if not more).

In regards to Graham McNeil - normally I'd agree. But Vengeful Spirit's combat scenes were honestly what you got the book for, and he delivered on that front. Compared with Annandale's disjointed and poorly paced/timed action sequences, I disagree on that front. Plotwise? They're both a pile of shit.



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I have to agree with Vaz...this is an utter piece of shite...this book is so boring I found myself speed-reading since nothing, I mean NOTHING happens in the whole book..action is bad written and I though he could do something new with the idea of psykers in the X legion but that was just a dead end....no cool characters and everybody dies..thank god I did not pay for this book or I would have to shoot myself...
 

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In regards to Graham McNeil - normally I'd agree. But Vengeful Spirit's combat scenes were honestly what you got the book for, and he delivered on that front. Compared with Annandale's disjointed and poorly paced/timed action sequences, I disagree on that front. Plotwise? They're both a pile of shit.
Did he really? All the fight scenes I've read so far are droll.

And Horus is a weakling compared to how he is described in other books. Despite being shielded by Daemonhosts, he still describes the attack by the Knight as the most excruciating he's ever felt (let's not say that because he is Horus, he's never been put in a position to be hurt in the past) while you have Lorgar shrugging off a Titan's plasma-gun and not uttering a word.

In addition it took three Primarchs, one of whom was a Daemon already, to take down a helicopter. I was not a fan of that.
 
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