There's a rumour that GW will be combining the DH and WH codices and add the ordo Xenos. Also, go to the homebrew rules forum, we're building a codex inquisition ourselves over there.

 

Yea I saw it a little but not much but Ill check it out now haha

and man that would be so sick dude if they did that

 

Hehe.. I really can't wait till they do.. and release plastic GKs and SoBs...
THe day they do, my army will skyrocket to mhh.. say 10000 points ( from the 1000-1500 I have now )

 

Hehe.. I really can't wait till they do.. and release plastic GKs and SoBs...

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I sincerely hope they don't bring out Plastic Grey Knights.

It would ruin them, you'd see them all over the place and they would totally lose any magic they had.

"Oh look, your entire SM army is Grey Knights..."

Of course I'd have to commit suicide through eating my own Metal Grey Knights until I couldn't go on anymore

 

IMPERIAL GUARD PROTCT US FROM DAEMONS!!! XP
Hehe jk but yea a Inquisition Codex would be sweet (Do have to say though that the Ordo Xenos Kill team have to either have cooler and I MEAN coller ammunition then Stern Guard or to be a troops choice (an Army with Special Ammunition :biggrin: )

 

i thought they scraped the idea of a combined dex, an going for individul dex's instead for the DH and WH. see that what happens when you read so many rummours, dont know if your on your arse or your elbow.........lol

 

Deamonhunters are unfortunatly nowhere near as old as DE, not even as old as the SW dex, so sorry its going to be a while.

 

Nah both DE and DH codex came out in 2003 SW came out in 2000 so yea thats the oldest

 

The Daemon Hunter Codex is way out of date, its as old as the DE codex so why isnt anyone sticking up for those GKs they have like the koolest models in the game dudes.

loads of people are 'sticking up for it'. there are constant threads about how much they need updating. so its not because there's not a lot of love for them, of that, you can be sure.

What do you guys think about a new codex for the people who save you all from daemons everyday

personally...

i'm utterly against it. i think the idea of a GK or Inquisition codex is a very bad idea. i think that being forced to make a whole, balanced, playable army for GKs makes them infinitely less exciting than having them as a single 'special character' unit as they were in 2nd Ed.

the themes and nature of the GK are inappropriate to being a general 40k army, meaning that longwinded and contrived scenarios have to be thought up just to justify their existance on the tabletop (they've got two pages of the gumph in their codex). worse still this is instilled upon opponents of GKs with or without their concent:

A: "So, you're Eldar are Chaos worshippers and i'm here to kill them."
B: "No they're not. They hate Chaos in all its forms, if anything they are probably more pious than your GKs."
A: "Well they must be daemonic, otherwise why would they be fighting GKs?!"
B: "I haven't got any daemons. Shouldn't this be a matter for the Ordo Xenos, why are you here at all?"

the whole thing would work a lot better if GK (and Ordo Malleus Inquisitors) had been a single 'Special Character' unit of Terminators in the Codex: IG. there would have been infinitely more scope for awesomeness and would have meant that GKs would have been reserved to games that genuinely involved Chaos, and not just shoe horned into everything.

if people really, really, really wanted a GK army, then Apoc datasheets could have added in additional units (like Dreads and Terminator Captains) and GK armies would have been genuinely at home.

There's a rumour that GW will be combining the DH and WH codices and add the ordo Xenos.

i'm not convinced that that was ever a rumour, just mutant wish listing. there was never any evidence that it had been genuinely considered as an idea, and i never heard anyone quote a bod from GW HQ on the subject.

fans just thought that if the books were rolled into one, it would require less effort to maintain (though i disagree with this point), and thus wanted a single combined book. such fans included grass root GW employees, but i'm not sure it ever came from any higher.

Deamonhunters are unfortunatly nowhere near as old as DE, not even as old as the SW dex, so sorry its going to be a while.

that's not what i heard from the GW HQ staff. :grin:

eitherway, C: SW is shortly to be replaced, as we all know, and C: DE doesn't require reference to another (out of date) codex as C: DH does. so really, in order of importance DH and WH come first.

 

Yeah, I agree that a Codex dealing just with Gray Knights forces way too much expansion on what should be simply a really, really awesome Elites or even HQ choice given their fluff. I think that's part of the reason I support the idea of a Codex: Inquisition - none of the forces in there have really been given a full-sized army anyway, so they might as well make one by combining the entire Inquisition into a single streamlined army.

Of course, I'd be just as happy with a refined Codex: Witch Hunters that gave both pure-SoB and pure-Ordo Hereticus lists more variety, and that made inquisitorial stormtroopers actually useful.

 

Yeah, I agree that a Codex dealing just with Gray Knights forces way too much expansion on what should be simply a really, really awesome Elites or even HQ choice given their fluff.

i couldn't agree more. its possible to have a GK army; i certainly won't deny that. their first appearance was as an entire army (sans Terminators) in Realms of Chaos. however, they have never been as cool as they were when they were a single unit of Termies. their raw power (as with all armies) is indirectly proportionate to the number of them that can be fielded.

I think that's part of the reason I support the idea of a Codex: Inquisition - none of the forces in there have really been given a full-sized army anyway, so they might as well make one by combining the entire Inquisition into a single streamlined army.

i think this is where we have to part company.

the Inquisition (and their Chambers Militant) effectively only work as a supporting role on the battlefield to other Imperial forces (whether that's IG, SoB, SM, AdMech, Navy, Titan Legions or whatever). thus if Inquisition units are going to be whittled down, they need to be somewhere where they can support those other forces (i.e. in their respective Codexes (and my suggestion would be Ordo Malleus/GK in C:IG, Ordo Hereticus/Ecclesiarchy in C: SoB and Ordo Xenos/DW in C: AdMech)).

whilst there may be a small reason to have a whole army of GKs (e.g. a whole planet has suddenly and unexpectedly erupted in Daemonic infestation) there is no reason why the various wings of the Inquisition would be hanging out together. if the Ordo Malleus really have important work to be done, then they have no need for wasting time with the DW.

What the hell are you talking about?

Necrons came before DH, so they need one first.

and what the hell are you talking about?

how does the order that the codexes were originally released have a relevance on which codex should be updated next?

surely the only factor involved in that is how out-dated the rules in the book are? Necrons may be a bit naff now, but there is nothing particularly contradictory or open ended about their rules. they'll survive a while longer without any arguments. conversely, since the change in IG and SM codexes the Inquisition book are now just confusing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; I sincerely hope they don't bring out Plastic Grey Knights.

It would ruin them, you'd see them all over the place and they would totally lose any magic they had.

amen brother.

Orochi thanks for the little lesson but yea I wasnt complaining its just what people think thanks dick

why are you bringing me into this? :grin:

GW's timelines are...loose, at best. Hell, we daemon folks are still waiting for our second wave that was supposed to be released in, what, March (year after initial codex release) for you GK and =][= scum to defend the galaxy from. :biggrin: :wink:

i think your fatal flaw is in waiting for something that GW never promised. they never talked about a '2nd wave' for daemons and they never gave a time frame for it. all we know is that there are models that they did not release alongside the books.

I heard also they'd be combining with witch hunters, But what i'm really excited about them supposedly being in the same codex in is with the ordo xenos

the ability to take and army of GKs, DW and SoB in a totally routine fashion is one of the biggest factors in putting me off the idea of a combined codex.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

Necrons came before DH, so they need one first.

DE came out in the 90s, and got a minor look at (some more wargear and point changes) in 2003. So they are due one before DH aswell.

Please, get your facts right before you start complaining.

The imperium have had both Space marine (again) and Guard releases with the last year. So dont expect anything to soon. Maybe in 2 - 3 years they will get a complete overhaul...but until then, expect a minor tweak here and there, if that.

 

Orochi thanks for the little lesson but yea I wasnt complaining its just what people think thanks dick

 

Lmao, Child.

 

GW's timelines are...loose, at best. Hell, we daemon folks are still waiting for our second wave that was supposed to be released in, what, March (year after initial codex release) for you GK and =][= scum to defend the galaxy from. :biggrin: :wink:

Give it time. It'll happen, but give it time... There's other stuff that needs an overhaul, too. That, and I highly doubt we'll see any plastic grey knight models. They are one of the few models, I feel, cannot be done nearly as well as the current metal range in plastic.

 

I heard also they'd be combining with witch hunters, But what i'm really excited about them supposedly being in the same codex in is with the ordo xenos

 

Yea Orochi I am now maybe you should get a life instead of picking fight over internet thank you come again

 

Personally, I would love a Codex: Inquisition. For the very simple reason that while there are different ordo's, they are still one 'body' within the empirium. Just like all the space marine chapters are also in one codex ( ok, except for a few silly boogers ).
It would allow us inquisition players more freedom to properly build a nice cool army, without having to lug around several codices and such.

As for the 'support forces idea', that's already in the current DH and WH codices. You can field the as allies into an existing Imperial force ( SMs, IG, etc...).

And while I agree that the current metal models for GKs and SoBs are pretty cool, they are almost impossible to convert properly without extensive time consuming hard work.
Plastic models would offer the ability to pose and model your units exactly as you want.
And I don't think turning them into plastic miniatures would lessen their coolness factor.

 

Aren't we due a codex Xenos hunters (whatever they are called, the Death Watch fellas).

Instead of a 3rd 'expansion race' GW should just put all 3 into a large 3 part codex. I have never seen any point in making the DH a separate race from the WH.

PS, i heard there are plans for a necron codex, and we already know the DE are being worked on.

 

Im extremely pleased where this thread has gone, really helped to put lots of things into perspective

 

All I can say is I agree with GK not being made plastic, I don't mind SOB been done in plastic but the GK are unique marines, so many people I talk to say if they had plastic GK I'd use them for my space marines instead of these, which then in turn means they can go hey I'll use these GK as my SM and DH army aswell. So I like that they are metal I just wish they came with maybe more men per box and kept the prices of them a bit lower, this way people will still play them but not go hey ow my marines will look 10x cooler as they are all GK plastic marines which ruins the fact they are a small specialised SM chapter that is seperate from the Codex Astartes

 

Daemonhunters do need a new Codex, but not because it's a bad army-- quite the contrary, really-- it's because the way the Codex was designed was intended for the tail end of 3rd and the start of 4th edition, and the feel of the game has significantly changed since then. With the way armour works right now, Daemonhunters are severely crippled-- they have very little to actually crack heavy armor, and while that makes a degree of sense, it's still a major flaw in the army for the sake of general playability. The Codex is also intended to be used as a suppliment to Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Imperial Guard, and not really as a standalone book, although it's capable of being used as such. GW has gotten away from suppliment books, and has focused on every book being entirely self-contained instead.

Model-wise, the Grey Knights could be plastic if someone were to be clever about how the storm bolter arms were cut. If the storm bolter is attached to the arm in such a way that you can't easily remove it and replace it with a bolter or bolt pistol, for example, then you won't have to worry about people doing what they do with Chaos Daemons and double-dipping the army for different things. Games Workshop's current marketing model is to have kits be relatively interchangable, though, so I'd imagine they'd make it so that you could take individual bitz and make some really cool regular Space Marines using the Grey Knight kit via a kitbashing effort, though.

There -is- a plan to eventually move that range to plastic, but the Inquisition is being redone from the ground up, much like the Dark Eldar-- the concept of the army has to be reexamined to make it work in the current environment, and that takes time.

 

DH have more options to take out heavy armour than WH do actually.. at least you got dreads, our puny penitent engines are not even under our own control ( and get shot up by shooting rather fast )