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Is anyone else getting a little tired of the horde of counts-as Marine armies out there?

Sometimes it makes perfect sense to use a Codex that isn't the force's own, but for the most part I feel like people should be using the correct Codex. A prime example is the Blood Ravens and using Codex: Blood Angels to represent them- why? Other than Librarian Dreadnoughts the BA have nothing else that represents the Ravens better than Codex: Space MArines, in fact with the Red Thirst/Black Rage, Descent of Angels et al special rules the Blood Angels really don't suit the background of the Blood Ravens.

Would you really be willing to sacrifice the rest of your Army'sbackground just to fulfil 1 small piece of it (and it's not exactly a major part saying they have Librarian Dreads!).

Please people explain to me why you do these things?
Or if you agree with me post up some craziness you've come across.
 

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Well I do agree that the likes of Codex: BA could represent the Night Lord CSM legion. Black rage/Red thirst is quite Chaos like.

Codex Space wolves Is pretty good for CSM all round, it gives for more depth other than lash/oblit/pm spam.

Codex Space marines does well for Iron warrior CSM.

I have been using CE for my DE recentally to give me a bit more to play with (I have lots of conversions)

I have seen someone who used Code Tyrands for a Necron Army, again, he had the conversions to match up, and it was really good fun to play.

And I have also seen someone use a lost and the damned army using Codex Tyranids, he used the Warhammer Giant with some serious mutating as a Hive tyrant, I thought it was pretty clever.
 

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I can see Codex Eldar being used for DE and as long as the fluff fit the models I could handle pretty much any count as, but I'd prefer if the models actually were put together and painted. I use to hate playing against the unpainted, unassembled count as army so every few turns you're like what are those? He responds with the name of the count as unit, you reply with but in codex what are they and so on and so forth, that's a real pain in the ass.

Just to add it's even worse when the models being used aren't even the proper unit. So you got the legs of a space marine, that's suppose to be a raptor, that has the rules of an assault squad marine from Codex: Blood Angels.
 

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I use codex SW to represent my Red Corsairs. I don't see any problem with it as long as people tell me what each model represents and there is some consistency in similar wargear.

I've also occasionally used codex CA to represent my DE, but I missed my RJBs and DLs.
 

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Im all for it, its much better than facing home brew rules, the minis might be painted a little strangely but you know(rules wise) what your facing, plus you can always wind up your opponent by calling his army what ever codex hes using, so if hes lovingly painted his models as blood ravens and is using the blood angels codex,just keep referring to them as blood angels, or say things like "its such a pity that your chapter isnt important enough to have its own codex" or say you wont play them until they have tipexed out the word "angels" and replaced it with "ravens" on every page.



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what does it matter what models + colours your army uses as long as you use one and only one codex. It's irrelevent.
Colors I'm fine with, but I'd REALLY like to see actual models on the table, and preferably models of the same scale as the rest; I HAVE played against people that used hordes of dollar-store chess pieces to represent their armies, with pawns being troopers, sarges had a paper hat, and various assault/heavy troops were squads of knights/rooks/bishops. "Transport vehicles" were the upside-down boxtops of the Chess games... :nono:

So as long as I can see ACTUAL models on the tabletop, I'm fine with whatever Codex you're using. Even better if you have some cool conversions, of course... :eek:k:
 

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Is anyone else getting a little tired of the horde of counts-as Marine armies out there?
I am fine with someone taking the time to remap all of the units in a Codex and come up a paint scheme and model choice to match; it shows they have actually put some thought into their marines rather than just playing Ultra-smurfs or whatever is latest off the marine line at GW.

Would you really be willing to sacrifice the rest of your Army's background just to fulfil 1 small piece of it (and it's not exactly a major part saying they have Librarian Dreads!).
This annoys me.

I can accept different levels of fluff in an army (I would not play Typhus leading entirely Thousand Sons myself but it is legal); however choosing a Codex for a fluff point when the rest of the Codex does not fit, always seems to lead to working around the rules.

If you want librarian dreadnoughts (or the bunny slippers of Alpharius) because they fit the fluff of your army then ask me if I mind you taking them in a vanilla Codex army; if you want them because they are Chuck Norris on speed then stop using fluff to justify wanting to win.
 

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Personally when GW gives CSM Players 3.5 Dex Legions again, we will keep using DA/SW/BT/SM/BA dexes to fit OUR fluff. Its not fair and its BS that SM get all the Fluff and rules and everyone else Dex gets one Dex worth.

The Lost and the Damn as Nids sounds clever. As long as the fluff and represetation fits, its AOK. Infact I encourage the Hobby side to customise their army and work within the fluff.

Now if they make Blood Ravens army with just Psyker Dreads is preatty lame. I always thought the BAs make for great Pre Heresy TS army. Psykers leading Psyker Dreads on the battlefield. The Priest make for great Psykers that boost the combat potential of the Marines their attach to. Yes I think BAs can work for Blood Raven (since they're hinted at being TS successor) if done right.
 

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I'm absolutely fine with it as long as people are honest about the reason for doing it. If someone is using say, Codex: Space Wolves for their Chaos Space Marines because it offers more variety and depth that's absolutely fine as long as they aren't telling everyone that it's for fluff reasons.
 

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I don't have a problem with it if people use different codex's to offer their army more variety instead of using the same cookie cutter army list.

It is a lot better than people using ork miniatures to represent Grey Knights like one guy I ran across. He wanted to use ork models but didn't like the codex.
 

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Well, that's actually funny enough that I'd play against it.

Nothing wrong with counts-as, especially if it means fewer people paint up Ultramarines. Never can have too little bright blue.
 

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I've had my Sanguine Spectres BA successor since I started the hobby, all the way back in 3rd edition. I didn't want to have a firetruck as an army so I painted them differently. I have fluff aroudn them that is Spectres and not a rehash of someone else's ( I hope not anyway :p) I did buy the BA characters because 1. they look the business. and 2. I had Custom fluff as to why they had a similar level of power to the BA characters. Now though recently I have been making custom Characters for my army ( see my Lord Reevan/Mephiston Conversion) Hell I even have a few characters from other chapters in my army. Lysander is my lightning claw armed terminator captain :)

So I think to add your personal mark to your army it's all well and good but doing it every time a codex comes out to get the newest power buff I really dislike.
 

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i dont use a stereotypical count as SM army. i just use my DIY army with a special character (yes the actual model & painted) from BT, DA, BA, SW...and boom insta-marines
 

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As long as it isn't too outrageous. Like if I was to face a count as vulkan, I would want him to have representatives of the spear, the cape, and the flamer glove. One kid I pplayed tried to convinve me that his plague marine that was painted ALL bright green, was typhus....
 

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Hmmm...

I don't like seeing Chaos Marines being used in an imperial codex, thats just me though...

I don't however mind seeing Codex: Space Marine chapters being used with other Marine rules (Ie. Ultramarines with Dark Angels rules), I'm thinking about doing that myself. I think that if its not too "out the way" then I'd be happy with it...
 

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Personally -

If you want to do a nameless DIY chapter: use Codex: Space Marines. Don't use Codex: BA or Codex: DA. Use the Codex for what it is meant for.

GW made entire model lines meant for the above - use them if you want that army. Don't use them if you don't.
 

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i don't mind it as long as it makes some sort of sense, i.e SW codex for pre-heresy world eaters.

conversely, how to people feel about using select complimentary units from a particular codex with the main bulk of the army coming from another?

for example, taking a C:SM salamanders army with a flamestorm armed baal pred? or a ravenguard army taking a stormraven?
 

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i don't mind it as long as it makes some sort of sense, i.e SW codex for pre-heresy world eaters.

conversely, how to people feel about using select complimentary units from a particular codex with the main bulk of the army coming from another?

for example, taking a C:SM salamanders army with a flamestorm armed baal pred? or a ravenguard army taking a stormraven?
as in building an army useing 2 different books? umm that be a no from me, unless your army has allie rules like DH/WH. but to build an army useing the SM codex, then adding units you like from say C:SW or C:BA is a no-no, becourse you can really take the piss by doing that
 
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