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Alright guys, up in the sneak peeks the new ogryns, commissars and hellhammer :D



For everything else so far, check the post below :wink:


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Major overview of the Apocalypse stuff;

Straight from Warseer:


Apocalypse Rules:

TheOTHERmaninblack confirms Apocalypse is on the order form for an October release costing US$50 (further confirmed by the leaked release schedule)
It is rumoured there will be a pre-release on GD UK

The basic premise is Rules for games of 3000+ points where the focus is on creating a narrative. It has been called "the polar opposite of tournament play"
Games will reportedly not use the FOC and possibly not Points limits (although the concept of 3000+ points games seems to contradict this rumour). Some insist points are still used and that a player with fewer points than their opponent can restore balance through using extra Strategic Assets (see below)

Early reports showed some contention over the size of the book, with some saying it’s huge (almost if not as big as the Rulebook), others saying it’s as big as Cities of Death, whilst some mentioned the possibility of multiple editions.
The US$50 price tag as well as some emerging reports of sighted copies indicates a single large book.
Whilst the size can't be determined, some of the cover appears in a picture later in this post

One poster had this to say on Apocalypse’s compatibility with the Imperial Armour books:

Quote FW's IA books will still be useful and they will carry on producing them. Not every super heavy is in Apocalypse and all those IG varients are also not in the Apocalypse book. It's perfetly reasonable to use IA with Apocalypse. It says so right in the preface. Where a super heavy appears in both volumes; Apocalypse 's rules will supersede those in IA. So the baneblade and warhound in Apocalypse are considered "official" when playing Apocalypse games. In some cases (like the Squigoth) they have been powered up over the IA version. Also the rules presented for Super Heavies, Gargantuin creatures and Flyers (yes they are there...) in the Apocalypse book are considered "official" when playing with IA stuff in Apocalypse
It is rumoured that there may be updates made available in White Dwarf and on the Games Workshop website

Big Red says the new Apocalypse Templates will be released Oct 07 for US$22 (confirmed by TheOTHERmaninblack)
-10" circular blast template. Used by the Deathstrike Missile, Baneblade cannon and others.
-18" flamer template. N1AK says the big flamer template has all the smaller templates etched inside it
-large "petal" or "Orbital Bombardment" template (this may be the same as 10" circular blast template). N1AK claims the "Orbital Bombardment" template is a central blast surrounded by 4, slightly overlapping blasts. When you fire something that uses it you roll a D6, on a 1-4 it lands in a designated one of the 4 'outer' circles, one a 5-6 it lands in the centre circle.
-Vortex grenade marker. Sold seperately for US$10. Apparently a 3d "globe" type affair with swirly vortex effects on it. Also rumoured to have a holographic image on the surface.
All but the Vortex Grenade appear in a picture later in this post
There was talk of a linked ordinance or ”Cluster Bomb” template (like the old 2nd edition thudd gun template, but way bigger) but it doesn't appear in the recent picture of the templates, indicating it doesn't exist and The Dude thinks it was probably a misinterpretation of the Orbital Bombardment template.

Also released Oct 07 will be the mysterious (and exciting) Apocalypse Big Gun Dice for US$12(confirmed by TheOTHERmaninblack)
The dice appear to be just large D6s in a red and black marble finish, and with an AdMech symbol replacing one of the numbers. Some of the dice can be seen to have 1, 5, 3, and 6 on them, meaning the AdMech symbol either replaces 2 or 4, or is on a different facing on different dice. The set also includes a scatter dice, also in the same red and black finish.
The Dice appear in a picture later in this post

Strength “D” weapons
Some weapons will have the option of saying D (for death). Baleanoon tells us the description for Strength D reads something like:
"These weapons are so powerful that they require no dice rolling to wound, any model hit automatically dies, that’s right no armour saves, invulnerable saves, this weapon doesn't care about your dodge save or demonic powers."
Smokedog also says they auto-penetrate vehicles and get +1 on the damage table
Baleanoon also claims that one each of Warhound's and Stompa's weapons have Strength D.
The Vortex Grenade, Eldar Pulsars, and Necron Pylon are also reportedly Strength D.

Some rules simplifications have been hinted at, such as any weapon of S7+ ignores armour saves entirely

There have been rumours of ally lists; ie SM & guard, Chaos & orks etc.
Some have suggested an Eye Of Terror style Order and Disorder division.

Super-heavy and Gigantic Creature rules
They will supposedly work almost exactly the same way as in the Forge World books, but:
-Vehicles “tend to explode in a more spectacular fashion”
-Apparently they can split their fire
-Super heavies (and maybe all vehicles) will only have 1 damage chart. Rolls will be -2 for galncing hits and +1 for Strength "D" weapons. Penetrating hits have no modifier. Hits that take you below 1 have no effect. Ie glancing hits on a 1 or a 2 do no damage at all
-Structure Points may get a boost to make them "almost impervious to non-titan killer weapons"
Super Heavies with rules included
-Baneblade: Costs 500 points. It is around 600 pts with the extra lascannon and TL heavy bolter sponsons, or you can leave them off for side AV14.
-Chaos Brass Scorpion: rumoured to have 12" assault and a 10 shot weapon in its tail (also rumoured to use the Big Flamer Template rather than 10 shots)
- Nurgle Plague Reaper: Apparently a corrupted Baneblade with a somewhat phallic shaped cannon that discharges pus/poison
-Ork Skullburna: Can hold 30 infantry and is apparently a fast vehicle
-Ork Squiggoth: supposedly more powerful rules than FW
-Necron Pylon
-Tau Barracuda
-Tau Great Knarlock
-Tyranid Hierophant
-Tyranid Trygon, which leads another unit

Titans
Titan class weapons also supposedly getting a big boost in lethality.
Shields: Iracundus says that Void shields now have an AV of their own and it's lower than 14, so lighter weaponry can at least strip shields. Smokedog says there are 3 types of titan shields: Power, Void and Hold field.
-Power Fields and Void Shields are AV12 and are destroyed if glanced or penetrated.
-Void Sheilds can be re-generated, Power Fields cannot.
-Holofields seem quite nasty, as long as the vehicle has moved, it will ignore all hits on a 4+.
Titans with rules included
Warlord - Costs 2500 points and if you get within 12" of it, it can't shoot you, although it can step on you.
Warhound – Nothing yet known other than it is included.
Revenant – Smokedog tells us it gets 2 Pulsars - Strength D, Heavy 2, 5" Blast.
Ork Stompa: One of it’s weapons will be Strength D and it will have the option to take Power Fields. Possibly more than one type, with Smokedog saying the "Mekboy Stompa" with have the most guns.

We have been reliably told there is no Reaver Titan in the book.
It has been suggested that plastic Titan models may be forthcoming, but not until plastic technology catches up with requirements (ie a LONG way off)

Flyers
Some initial uncertainty of their inclusion has given way to fairly solid confirmation. The recent White Dwarf article seems to indicate that Flyers are indeed included. We were told that they are in, and “have seen the biggest change to their rules”.
It appears that Flyers are able to move anywhere on the board more than 36”, however they MUST move.
Apparently flyers now do not leave the table, although KUMA says they can choose to leave the table for a round and re-enter anywhere on the board.
Flyers with rules included
-Thunderhawk Gunship – Reportedly around 900 points
-Thunderbolt – About 180 points
-Lightning - Nothing else known
-Ork Fighta-Bomma - Nothing else known
The Valkyrie may also be included.

AA options like the Hydra Flack Tanks and possibly others are supposedly in the book
Maxis Lithium informs us that Tau Skyrays will regain their AA abilities.

There have been rumours of a new Land Raider variant called the Terminus which has four sets of twin-linked lascannons

Apocalypse is to be ongoing, with new additional rules and models released through the stores, WD and the website. The website apparently is getting a £5 million facelift

Apocalypse Background:

Necrons reportedly get some nice background with Apocalypse, particularly stuff regarding silver, gold and platinum level lords and the way they fight. Basically they can download to new bodies at will. No in game effects, but nice background.

Strategic Assets:

One poster had this to say on Strategic Assets:

Quote Strategic Assets are the Strategems of Apocalypse, but they are so much more than just that. In fact, it's probably the most significant mechanic in the Apocalypse game. Some are played before deployment or at the begining of a turn or somewhere else during the game; like something you spring on your opponent at the right time. Some are like the old strategy cards from 2nd edition or the Random Events, Magic Items, & Dirty Tricks from Blood Bowl.
That's the first major difference between them and Strategems. The cool thing is you can still use Strategems as you could play CoD-Apocalypse game with parts of the table being urban CoD while other parts are typical 40k.
An Orbital Bombardment has been mentioned as a possible Strategic Asset and would use one of the new templates (although early rumours mentioned 6 linked Ordinance templates)

There are obviously some wargear-like Strategic Assets, as the Vortex Grenade is all but confirmed with the template being included in release lists.


Formations:

Taking “Formations” of units could reportedly provide in-game bonuses (some free, some paid for). For example:

Imperial Guard
- Ogryn Auxiliary: 3 squads of 5 Ogryns, giving the player a free command squad, and Commissars may be attached directly to the units.

-Emperor’s Fist Tank Company: 10 Leman Russ tanks earns you a command tank that helps to ignore crew shaken/stunned effects

-Emperor’s Wrath Artillery Company: Basilisks may have a spotter unit in a similar way to Marine Whirlwinds (see below). Which unit will be the spotter is unclear.

Necrons
-Necron Phalanx: 2 or more Necron monoliths generate a "Shadow Field" giving whatever is on the other side the line +1 to we'll be back rolls (One poster says it reduces the strength of shots through the field). Also no psychic powers can pass through the field.
(The Dude has hereby named this the “Stonehenge” formation)
-A first turn deep strike ability, possibly using Monoliths

Space Marines
-Suppression Force: SM Land Speeders can act as “spotters” for Whirlwinds, giving them unlimited range. It was originally rumoured that these Speeders would be unarmed, but this has been refuted, and they are supposedly regular Speeders with HB or MM.

-Space Marine Masters of the Chapter: Individual members supplying bonuses such as flanking manoeuvres etc.

-Space Marine Linebreaker: 3 vindicators in a unit allowing them to target the same point, using the 10 inch template and any terrain under the hole is removed on a 4+ similar to seige shells, but any terrain, not just a building.

Chaos
-Abbaddon may be able to take a very large Terminator retinue

-Tide of Spawn: 10 marines and 10 spawn. At a “dramatic moment” all 10 CSM become spawn.

Tau
-Tau may get a formation of one command unit, and body guard. 3 Crisis Suit units, and a number of Stealth Suits.

-One formation that allows you to enter play from any table edge

-Special Markerlight options for squadrons of 3 + hammerheads

Eldar
-Windrider Host: Autarch on Jetbike and 2 squads of Jetbikes and some Vypers. Can redeply once per game (not just at the start of the game) but can´t end up within 12" of ANY enemy

-Spirit Host: 1 spirit seer , 2-3 squads of wriathguard (not sure on size) and wraithlord. All units with 12" (of the Spirit Seer?) become fearless

-Cloudstrike Squadron: 3 Wave Serpents may combine their energy fields to reduce incoming fire to a maximum of S:7. Whilst some thought this was a similar field to the Necron “Stonehenge” ability, The Dude thinks the ability will apply only to shots aimed at the Serpents themselves.

-Aspect Warrior Assault Wave: Autarch, 3 wave serpents and 3 aspect warrior squads (one of which may be a Dire Avenger squad). Bonus unknown?

-Bonesinger may get rules

Dark Eldar
Ravager Titan Killer: 3 ravagers which and have access to a "shadow beam/wave/summat" weapon that if it hits negates void shields and holofields for subsequent weapon fire.

Orks
-Ork "Kult of Speed" similar to Eldar Windrider Host in that once during the game the entire formation (possibly 30 bikes) can redeploy to ANYWHERE on the board.

Tyranids
-"More bodies than bullets!" 3-4 Termagaunt and 3-4 Hormagaunt broods (all at least 20 models). Swarms may keep returning to the table and any unit shooting at them that rolls 5 or more 6's to hit, does nothing for shooting that turn against that swarm.

-Hive Mind formation consisting of a Hive Tyrant, 3+ Tyrant Guard and 5+ Zoanthropes. The formation gets some additional psychic powers and amplifies the warp blast of the Zoanthropes.



As well as everything else gathered up, was busy doing this over at astro might as well post it up here right :wink:




- rules for games 3000+ to roughly 5000 points
- large, expensive boxed sets for every, yes every army. That although expensive will give massive saving when compaired to buying stuff individually:p Although they will be avaible only for a limited time and only through direct services.
- Apocalypse will use datasheets and unit formations that will allow you to do special things with units and armies (no suprise here )
- As a result Apocalypse games don't use the traditional force organisation chart of 40K
- Chaos gets a warprift datasheets allowing you to take stuff like as a warp rift if you take a greater daemon and 3 units of lesser daemons. Enemies psychers with x distance take a perils of the warp and deamons pore forth from the rift.
- Lost & Damned are back - take a minimum of 3 mutant hordes and you can take any IG units you want

- The exciting part - THESE DATASHEETS AND OTHERS WILL BECOME AVAIBLE ONLINE!
[ulr=http://uk.games-workshop.com/apocalypse/splash/default.htm]keep checking here[/url]

- Simplefied rules for flyers
- Scenarios are objective based and takes place on larger tables
- Book is over 200 pages and also has a section from veteran players who have played such massive games. Also has some sort of scenario to keep the action going regardless of the point number (whatever that means)
- Some examples of special units; The Fortress of Arrogance (Yarrick's personal baneblade), Space Marine Chapter Master, Ork Stompa, Eldar Aspect Assault Wave (can use some sort of forceflied to pin enemies), Tyranids Mycetic Assault Storm (5 or more carnifex all deepstriking at once), Tau Rapid Insertion Force, Necron Monolith Phalanx (3 Monolith in triangle with some effect) and the Brass Scorpion.
- A series of strategic assets to help balance uneven point values armies
- Stuff like strategic redeployment, Supreme Headquarters, Orbital Bombarment and the return of the Vortex Grenade (Nasty, nasty)


- phamphlet info
- brass scorpion
- brass scorpion2
- check the sneak peeks at the bottom
- ogryns, plaguetank conversion and apocalypse sized table and battle

- Ork Big Mek with Bosspole, great mini. (17 dollar)


- Vortex Grenade Template.....this things spells certain doom, especially if you remember the old Vortex :pinch: (10 dollars)



- Eldar windrider host, is that a jetbike autarch I see there? (125 dollars)





- Moonscape, I'd just call it a crater...but heck I'm a practical thinker, nothing like the GW methode.


- Necron lord with resurrection orb, not a bad model but to be honest hardly even worthy of the title 'conversion (15 dollars)



- Tau Empire rapid insertion force,
(90 dollars)

(125 dolars)

There will also be a full hunter cadre of 350 dollars.

- Urban Road, looks rather nice. Should work great with cityfight and urban tables! (25 dollars, rumored to be 25 suare feet....no so sure about that)



- Emperor's fist tank company, a whopping 10 Russ Battletanks :eek:hmy: Now where did I leave that can-opener, oh wait I have an army of slimy, running can-openers:p (275 dollars)




NEW RELEASES FOR THE COMMING 6 MONTHS

(US release dates):

3rd September
CHAOS SPACE MARINE ARMY SET(2007) $190.00

11th September
CHAOS SPACE MARINES CODEX $20.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $90.00

17th Sptember
CHAOS SPACE MARINES $30.00
CHAOS SPAWN $25.00
POSSESSED CHAOS SPACE MARINES $25.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK SQUAD $20.00

24th September
CHAOS LORD WITH JUMP PACK $15.00
HURON BLACKHEART $17.00
KHORNE LORD $15.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE TERMINATORS $40.00
CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD $20.00

8th October
OGRYN BONE 'EAD $ 17.00
QGRYN $17.00
HOBBY APOCALYPSE BIG GUN DICE $72.00 (dealer pack?)
APOCALYSE TEMPLATES $22.00
APOCALYPSE VORTEX GRENADE TEMPLATE $10.00
URBAN ROADS $25.00
NECRON PHALANX(APOCALYPSE) $90.00
SPACE MARINE BATTLE COMPANY (APOCALYPSE) $ 450.00
APOCALYPSE (ENGLISH) $50.00
IMPERIAl.GUARD OGRYN AUXILIARY $90.00 (?) (direct only)
GAMER'S EDITION IMPER!AL GUARD BACKPACK 85.00 or 95.00
ELDAR SPIRIT HOST $125.00 (direct only)
APOCALYPSE DICE $12.00

15th October
COMMISAR $10.00
SPACE MARINE MASTERS OFTHE CHAPTER $35.00
IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE $95.00
EMPEROR'S FIST TANK COMPAN (APOCALYPSE) $275.00
SPACE MARINE LAND RAIDER TERMINUS PATTERN $5O.OO
SPACE MARINE SUPPRESSION FORCE (APOCALYPSE) $90,00

22nd October
NECRON LORD (WITH RESSURECTION ORB) $15.00
TAU ARMOURE INTERDICTION FORCE $90.00
CHAOS TIDE OF SPAWN(APOCALYPSE) $?
IMPERIAL GUARD LEMAN RUSS SOUADRON (APOCALYPSE) $90.00
ELDAR WINDRIDER HOST $125.00
ELDAR ASPECT WARRIOR ASAULT WAVE $ 125.00? (direct only)
TAU HUNTER CADRE $350.00? (direct only)
TYRANID MYCETIC ASSAULT SWARM $125.00 (direct only)
EMPEROR'S TALON RECON GROUP $125.00? (direct only)

29th October
ORK BIG MEK WITH SUPERSHOOTA $17.00
WARHAMMER 40K BASING KIT $20,00
IMPERIAL CITY $175.00
SPACE MARINE VETERANS MKII $30.00
ELDAR CLOUDSTRIKE SQUADRON $90.00
SPACE MARINE LINEBREAKER SQUADRON (APOCALYPSE) $?
TAU RAPID INSERTION FORCE (APOCALYPSE) $125.00
IMPERIAl GUARD BASILISK BATTERY (APOCALYPSE) $90.00
SPACE MARINEARMOURED SPEARHEAD $175.00 (direct only)
ORK DRED MOB $175.00 (direct only)
TYRANID ENDLESS SWARM $175.00 (direct only)
DARK ELDAR RAVAGER TITAN HUNTERS $125.00 (direct only)
EMPERORS WRATH ARTILLERY COMPANY $300 00 (direct only)

5th November
ELDAR WAVE SERPENT PLUS DIRE AVENGERS $45.00 (repack)

12th November
CHAOS SPACE MARINES AND RHINO (07) $40.00

19th November
TAU DEVILFISH AND FIRE WARRIORS $45.00

26th November
CHAOS SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $40.00
SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR MKII $40.00
DARK ELDAR RAIDERS $40.00
IMPERIAL GUARD ARMOURED FIST $45.00
SPACE MARINE RAZORBACK SQUAD $45.00

3rd December
ELDAR ARMY $175.00

10th December
ELDAR SHINING SPEAR SQUAD (MK 2) $45.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE ARMY SET (2001) - GLOBAL. $175.00
ELDAR AUTARCH ON JET BIKE $ 25.00

17th December
ORK ARMYSET $175.00

31st December
APOCALYPSE WARGEAR $22.00

7th January
ORK SPEED FREAKS $15.00
ORK TANKBUSTAS $25.00
ORK PAINBOY $10.00
ORK WEIRDBOY $17.00
ORK SHOKK ATTACK GUN $25.00
ORK LOOTAS AND BURNAS INCL. MEK $20.00
ORK BATTLEFORCE $90.00
ORK BOYZ $25.00
ORK WARTRUKK $30.00
ORK WAR BIKES $35.00
ORK CODEX $22.00
 

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Indeed, Orks beginning 2008. Ere we go! Greens best. And best of all the shock attack guns is back :mrgreen:

That in combination with the speeds freaks stuff from Apocalypse should see my few Orks, but many unfinished conversions take to the filed of battle with at leat a small force :mrgreen:
 

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Awesome shit coming with that book man. Rep to Heph for the rundown :)
 

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great run down. btw are those US pricies if so can you give prices in the australian dollar plz? :D
 

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Heres a converter for you so you can convert anything you like plus anything else you come across.

Its free and always up to date.

Its really helpful for when you checking on other sites as well.

http://www.xe.com/ucc/
 

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It is an old Orky weapon from the 2nd edition, used grots as ammo transporting them over short distance (with the help of the Warp) straight into tanks and stuff

Old shokk attack gun:




And painted version.
 

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Great score Heph. Lol all that is now mine.

Why are some of the rules being posted on the net lol?.

I can't believe the saving on those Russ's and the Battle Company!, 125 dollar saving on the Russes!, 320 dollars on the Sm's. Oh god I think I need to sit down :D
 

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Well, GW has always been know to give discounts if you buy in bulk. It is probably actually cheaper to buy an army all in one shot than save up and buy all the units separately. Although I will admit that the savings for APOC stuff seems to be a little bit bigger. Unfortunately, I play sisters and I am getting nothing when it comes to "discounted" APOC stuff, but it was hinted I might be able to get the APOC type savings on three immolators which would make me one happy person. :lol:
 

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Must... maintain composure... musn't reach for credit card.
 

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I will happily keep your credit card "safe" Alexander if you can't keep your composure :D
 

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Jacobite said:
Great score Heph. Lol all that is now mine.

Why are some of the rules being posted on the net lol?.

I can't believe the saving on those Russ's and the Battle Company!, 125 dollar saving on the Russes!, 320 dollars on the Sm's. Oh god I think I need to sit down :D
Looks like this stuff is largely from WD and GW said they would make all those datasheets avaible for free download on their apocalypse site. Which actually makes sense for once, if people don't have to spend a fortune on a large book to get only a few for you useable sheet they have more left and are more willing to spend more on a big box.....and once you get buying its a downwards spiral :wink:

Should just be 3 more days until this will be becoming avaible;

apocalypse site
 
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