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Hey - I thought I'd get some peoples' opinions about this one. I'm starting to get people (here and elsewhere) asking me if I do commissions and would consider doing stuff for them; apart from the obvious worry of not being good enough to make whatever it is they end up asking for, the big issue I have is that I haven't the faintest clue how to work out how much to ask for something like a commissioned sculpt :)

So...any and all advice would be welcomed. There are a few things that people have asked me for that would actually be quite interesting to make, but as busy as I always seem to be I don't want to spend ages making something for someone for a pittance. But then again, neither would I want to overcharge...
 

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And on that note just remember that some people have no idea what you should charge, so don't be offended if someone lowballs you ... they might honestly not know what its worth. For example, if I hired you to weld some metal plates together, I know what that would cost and how long it should take. I do that stuff for a living and am familiar with it, but if I asked you to put together Titan and paint it up ... completely lost, never done it and I would start at $150 plus materials, paint, etc. Is this reasonable? I honestly don't know, but I do know that your time is worth money because you are doing something that I either can't because of lack of skills or won't because of lack of time. Work with them and try and explain why it costs what it does ... most people, if truly interested, will work with you.
 

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And on that note just remember that some people have no idea what you should charge, so don't be offended if someone lowballs you ... they might honestly not know what its worth. For example, if I hired you to weld some metal plates together, I know what that would cost and how long it should take. I do that stuff for a living and am familiar with it, but if I asked you to put together Titan and paint it up ... completely lost, never done it and I would start at $150 plus materials, paint, etc. Is this reasonable? I honestly don't know, but I do know that your time is worth money because you are doing something that I either can't because of lack of skills or won't because of lack of time. Work with them and try and explain why it costs what it does ... most people, if truly interested, will work with you.
Damn, that's one hell of a good explanation! Concise, helpful, and genuine. cheers!

CP
 

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And on that note just remember that some people have no idea what you should charge, so don't be offended if someone lowballs you ... they might honestly not know what its worth. For example, if I hired you to weld some metal plates together, I know what that would cost and how long it should take. I do that stuff for a living and am familiar with it, but if I asked you to put together Titan and paint it up ... completely lost, never done it and I would start at $150 plus materials, paint, etc. Is this reasonable? I honestly don't know, but I do know that your time is worth money because you are doing something that I either can't because of lack of skills or won't because of lack of time. Work with them and try and explain why it costs what it does ... most people, if truly interested, will work with you.
Well im charging alot more than that for the reaver im doing lol.

I ran into the same problem as you Svart. I didnt really know what to charge etc. I looked around other commissioners and roughly based my prices on them + what i was willing to accept etc.

Then you add on material costs.
 

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I would first ask what quality is he looking for then secondly ask how much is he looking to spend. Then based off those two answers you can more-less explain to him that if he wants (X) quality of paint job he needs to be wiling to pay more then (y). If its the other way around then you know you have some room for negotiations and finding a common ground to make the deal appealing to both parties.

I dont know if this was solved or a solution was found. But if so let me know what you came up with. I am thinking of getting a few armies done up nicely and want to know how much people are charging for certain paint jobs.
 

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How about i start off the bidding with £15 for 23 Berserkers :laugh:

Nah I'm joking, But your definitely good enough Svart. Talk about it to LTP, her prices are spot on, Check out her Website in her signature.

Chloe knows what she's doing! :3
 

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Look at it another way. What is your time worth and how much effort do they want put into each mini. I am in the ship repair business and do estimations for repairs all the time. There is a huge difference between a functional job and a rolls royce job. I would work it out based on how much time they want you to spend doing it. And whatever you do svart don't undercharge. Your work is genius. You might be able to do some functional gs work on a squad of csms in a couple of hours. On the other hand one of your current oblits would take considerably longer.
 

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Hey Svart can you post some links to some of the stuff you've done as I might have a couple of jobs for you early to mid 2011.
 

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That's alot of money for shipping Tu_shan ;o
 

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As somebody who uses painting services regularly due to time and also the fact I can afford it some general points for you to consider;

1). I pay about 20 dollars per figure on average AU per standard rank and file.
2). I pay about 30 dollars per figure on average AU per character figure.
3). I pay about 40-50 dollars per figure on average AU per special character
4). I pay about 90-100 dollars and above for anything like a custom job on a Raider or something else.

The quality i expect is well above table top standard on standard figures. I expect a decent job on base colors and shading at least with one color and a wash and a decent basing job done on my rank and file figures.

The issue becomes however is your point of difference.

You won't beat Ebay china painters or India on price, and the Quality level out of China is now moving steadily upward.... in fact I got myself a single DE assassin figure as an auction for less than 10 bucks and its easily superior tournament quality.

Where the point of difference for Euro and American painters is that they can capitilize on is the affluent market. Your not going to make thousands from school kids and the like or even uni students... they don't have the cash.

What you want is the market that wants to do single figures at high quality as centre pieces for peoples armies. Something that you can charge upward of 60 bucks or 30-40 pounds for a single figure done to specific schemes and then planned out with the client.

If you want repeat business;

1). Be there for the client, answer emails promptly
2). Give a realistic time frame and actually show you want the commission. Things like oh I am going away with my job or whatever immediately say to me, fine this is a hobby for you, not where my money is coming from.
3). Ensure you keep them informed every step of the way and make sure you understand exactly what they want done and how it is to be done.

Most people are wary of using the China mobs and India mobs as they dont understand 40k well enough to paint accordingly... A mate of mine had a space marine figures done in a specific chapter only by a well known painting service that charged about 10 bucks a figure.... the figures were great.... shame that they put devestator weapons on commanders..... armed predators incorrectly, armed dreadnoughts with whatever they saw fit.... etc. They just dont understand 40k well enough to do it right as they are painting in a production line. They also have the issue of... hmmm half my army looks like a good painter did it, but those others look like crap that the new boy starting last week did.

If you are up front, give them a template about left arm this weapon... right arm this weapon.... squad leaders to have so and so shoulder pads.... sgts to have a banner.... where you want tactical markings..... or even simple stuff like ok you want a squad of terminators, 1 with chainfist and assualt cannon, all others to be storm bolter and power fist, sgt to have banner and closed helmet with power sword. Painted in Ultramarines color scheme as per SM codex page..... Then you are already ahead of most of the market for being a reliable painter and you will attract the market you want... older, professional, larger disposable income.

In the last 12 months I have paid out about 3k in painting AU dollars wise.

If you want three services to model yourself after;

Nocturnal Studios here in Australia are the best customer service I have ever had. From phone calls on day of when my figures arrived through to follow up phone calls and emails to ensure that everything was painted according to specific instructions. (300 figures painted for me and I have just placed a 800 dollar order for FW raw product then they can paint it for me). I was SUPER PEDANTIC with what I wanted done. I wanted Codex chapter markings done on all my squads and specific armaments and poses and even down to what backpack I wanted on squad leaders.... they did it all like it was nothing new and did it perfectly.

The polish group minaturepainters.com are great quality, but their customer service is a bit slow. Takes a few days to get back to me and always blows out on time by 1 to 2 weeks for a project. (50 odd figures painted for me)

Ibis Minatures in the UK. Painted my entire Dark Elf army within 6 weeks for about 1.5k AU. Professional, fast, superior painting easily superior tournament standard for a 2.5k points DE army. They pruchased the figures as well from GW. Joe and Andy are the real deal for proffessionalism and service. Longest I waited for an email response to a question or clarification was 6hrs. (And I am in OZ and they are in the UK).

Hope this gives you some insight... There are plenty of people like me out there who are dying to get figures done... the problem we face is getting them done timely and done correctly according to what we want... you capture that market, you will win and could have an incredibly profitable business. Nocturnal Studios just charged me 200 bucks for a single dreadnought from FW to paint it.... do I know thats expensive? yes.... would it be at evy metal quality done exactly as I want? yep.... so i don't care. 200 bucks for a single dread for the game I have been playing as my major hobby since 87... that will sit in a display case in my games room? yes please.... in fact... here take more cash thanks as long as I could say.... thanks that looks like Dave Taylor painted it for a Codex and you got the number on the dreadnought correct, the chapter markings, the pose and the custom banner done perfectly that shows the pilot pre internment. Thats what some of us are more than happy to pay...

Cheers

Alexi.
 
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