[gen.ahab]

I still don't see why a damn bird would have the same S and T as a human soldier.

 

[Winterous]

But then again can you justify giving a bird, which you can very easily kill with a red rider, the same T level as a human?

Not normally, but these are ZOMBIE birds.
And since when does realism take prescedence over game balance?

i see them this way:
WS3 BS- S3 T3 W3 I2 A3 Ld8 Save6+ 10Pts
Fleet, Fearless, Zombie Plague
Unit Type: Swarm
Unit Composition: 3-10 Carrion Feeders Bases

WS3 makes up for lack of BS, Stat line is fairly common place for their type of unit so acceptable, INV save for reason i stated 4 posts up.

SGMAlice

WS3 makes up for lack of BS

...

WHAT?
That does't make any sense at all, thy don't have a gun, so why does their lack of BS need to be 'made up for'?
WS2 is appropriate, they just peck at you, they wouldn't be hard to hit normally, let alone when they're clumped together.

*edit*
And I think they should have S2 as well, like Alice said, they aren't strong.

 

[gen.ahab]

Give them I4 and T2, it doesn't matter if they die or live, they wont do any damage either way. Really, I think they should be dropped because they don't make any damn sense.

 

[SGMAlice]

I think i worded that wrong XD my apologies, given that they are flying unit you could say that they have good eye sight therefore a good aim when striking an opponent.
Does that make sense?

I doubt they would be clumped together otherwise they would be bumping into each other all the time, not a good idea when your flying.

I meant to put I3 not 2, i have changed this.

SGMAlice

 

[Winterous]

Give them I4 and T2, it doesn't matter if they die or live, they wont do any damage either way. Really, I think they should be dropped because they don't make any damn sense.

How don't they make sense?
And it does matter if they die before they reach the enemy, because they're supposed to tarpit.

 

[SGMAlice]

Give them I4 and T2, it doesn't matter if they die or live, they wont do any damage either way. Really, I think they should be dropped because they don't make any damn sense.

Going by that logic: Neither do Scarabs or Rippers.
They make perfect sense, in that they have the ability and stats to do their job. Which is to tie up a unit in CC.

SGMAlice

 

[gen.ahab]

Yes, because a robot and a tyranid are the same damn thing as a crow. It should be dropped because it doesn't make sense and if you up the stats it's retarded. It just doesn't transfer into game terms well.

 

[SGMAlice]

During my most recent attempt to sleep (Say NO to Insomnia!!) I got to thinking about this idea in its entirety and i have come up with a 'hole' so to speak.

Zombies: A good idea, we all love our brain eating, shuffle footed, undead brethren;
BUT!
Within the setting of the 40k Universe, most of the opponents they are likely to face are going to be Armored in some fashion, be it Power Armor or Wraith Bone or whatever; this begs the question: In what universe is a scratch (as that is what it essentialy is) or a bite, from one of these walking corpses, going to get through that?!
This, therefore, puts your Zombie Plague idea out of the picture, as only the IG and possibly the Orks are going to be viable targets for such an idea.

I can see a way around it: Stronger than normal zombies; therefore giving them Rending could represent the chance of one of their attacks penetrating Armor and getting to the 'Skin' of an opponent, which is the only way the Zombie Plague can be transmitted.
But given the fact that zombies are walking corpses therefore not having much muscle left on them, this is quite a stretch.

And to further this: Carrion Feeders also would have quite a job getting through Armor as they are even weaker! It would be like Woody Wood Pecker trying to make a home in a steel girder!

I am not trying to spoil this, not at all, that could not be further from the truth. I merely say this to point out a possible hole in your Army which may require a re-think. Better to do it now than in the future when the Army is further on than this, creating an even bigger job of correcting it then. And after all: I have added to this Army as well.

Some of your units i.e. The Red Devil, Hunters, Sorcerers and Plague Bearers, would not have this against them but zombies and such would.

Also: You should re-name the Horde Boss to Liche. Just because its a spanky name, one not used in 40k at all or anywhere else much.

SGMAlice

 

[gen.ahab]

Yeah, was thinking about that, but disregarded it as a neccecary loss for the good of the project. Also, 40k zombies are still human, they arn't the walking sack of stupid meat that most zombies are. They have become something like plague marines, in that, they still think, but now follow nurgle.

 

[Winterous]

During my most recent attempt to sleep (Say NO to Insomnia!!) I got to thinking about this idea in its entirety and i have come up with a 'hole' so to speak.

Zombies: A good idea, we all love our brain eating, shuffle footed, undead brethren;
BUT!
Within the setting of the 40k Universe, most of the opponents they are likely to face are going to be Armored in some fashion, be it Power Armor or Wraith Bone or whatever; this begs the question: In what universe is a scratch (as that is what it essentialy is) or a bite, from one of these walking corpses, going to get through that?!

.......
Really?
What do you think failing an Armour save means?

 

[gen.ahab]

Well she means that it wouldn't make sense, which is true. But when you fail a save it means one of many things such as a mass failure due to sustained fire or the shot went through a visor or joint.

 

[Winterous]

Well she means that it wouldn't make sense, which is true. But when you fail a save it means one of many things such as a mass failure due to sustained fire or the shot went through a visor or joint.

That's all it takes is the point, a fingernail through the soft bits in your elbow.

 

[gen.ahab]

For a person, not a marine. They can keep the destroyer plague off for some time before it kills them. Zombie plague isn't anywhere near that severe.

 

[Winterous]

For a person, not a marine. They can keep the destroyer plague off for some time before it kills them. Zombie plague isn't anywhere near that severe.

That's not what I was responding to though.
You were talking about armour, and that that would prevent infection reliably; that's where the Toughness test comes in anyway.

 

[SGMAlice]

Correct Gen.Ahab. Bullets and/or Bladed Weapons are used, but not limited to.
In no way is a dead dude flailing his arms at you involved at all in any other army.

@Gen.Ahab: Plague Marines have Bolters/Knive e.t.c and the zombies don't.

Its still down to the fact that no zombie could get through Power Armor/WraithBone/Whatever.

I did figure it would be a continuity error left unspoken but seen as no one had mentioned it, i figured i would in case a re-think was necessary, The lesser of two evils so to speak

How about giving the Zombies Bolters or Bolt Pistols and a piss poor BS akin to the Orks?

Edit: Is Power Armor/WraithBone/Whatever not sealed at the joints? I thought it was.

SGMAlice

 

[Winterous]

Edit: Is Power Armor/WraithBone/Whatever not sealed at the joints? I thought it was.

Well it is, but it's obviously softer.
You can't have dense ceramic plates over your elbows, because then you can't move your arms, it's probably kevlar or something in there.

 

[SGMAlice]

Obviously it wouldn't be Ceramic... I do have an IQ....
It is still sealed. and with something stronger than kevlar, given the level of technology available to them/each race. I still don't see how a practically childs strength hit could get through it.

No real argument can be brought against this. In any case its a Continuity Error and we all love a good Continuity Error every now and then. I just wanted to be the bearer of the lesser of two evils now, not later, just in case it became an issue.

SGMAlice

 

[Winterous]

Oh yes, it very well is unrealistic.
But that's how the game is, anything that doesn't have a gun or weapon probably couldn't TOUCH a Space Marines, but it's just simplified.

 

[SGMAlice]

And we all love it for its simplicity XD

In The Grim Darkness Of The Future There Is Only ...BRAINS!!!... *shuffle shuffle shuffle*

SGMAlice

 

[DestroyerHive]

Zombies: A good idea, we all love our brain eating, shuffle footed, undead brethren;
BUT!
Within the setting of the 40k Universe, most of the opponents they are likely to face are going to be Armored in some fashion, be it Power Armor or Wraith Bone or whatever; this begs the question: In what universe is a scratch (as that is what it essentialy is) or a bite, from one of these walking corpses, going to get through that?!
This, therefore, puts your Zombie Plague idea out of the picture, as only the IG and possibly the Orks are going to be viable targets for such an idea.

I can see a way around it: Stronger than normal zombies; therefore giving them Rending could represent the chance of one of their attacks penetrating Armor and getting to the 'Skin' of an opponent, which is the only way the Zombie Plague can be transmitted.
But given the fact that zombies are walking corpses therefore not having much muscle left on them, this is quite a stretch.

You and I think alike! I was considering Space Marine Zombies as well, but decided to scrap it.

I can see a way around it: Stronger than normal zombies; therefore giving them Rending could represent the chance of one of their attacks penetrating Armor and getting to the 'Skin' of an opponent, which is the only way the Zombie Plague can be transmitted.
But given the fact that zombies are walking corpses therefore not having much muscle left on them, this is quite a stretch.

Rending may be a bit much, seeing as they only have 1 attack anyway, but the point is; they kill something, it's now a zombie. So basically, they managed to bite into the Space Marine's neck or joint areas and get his flesh infected. Remember as well, these aren't just any zombies... They're Chaos Zombies! MUAHAHAHAHAH :laugh:

Also: You should re-name the Horde Boss to Liche. Just because its a spanky name, one not used in 40k at all or anywhere else much.

Aren't Liches ghosts though?:wink: