I'm really looking forward to some Finecast Ork tankbustas and Ork Big Mek/Warboss, not only were the metal ones a pain in the ass to glue together but most Ork players are forced to use the AoBR Warboss (not that he's bad just a little generic sometimes) as a base to make things look different, at least now we can convert a little more especially with the Big Meks.

Detail, easier building, and converting possibilities: Good

Price hike: Not so good

 

Well one thing is for certain the price hike sux but GW does make some very phenominal minis of good quality. Ive only really seen one other company do as good in quality and better in pricing which PP IMO.

Sure PP may charge like 60 bucks for a kit but at the same time the model is either quite large or its a whole 10 man unit in metal.

Despite how angry I was about the price rises Im actually quite excited about it and I think maybe this what is gonna start generating more sales for them.

 

TheSpore I need to borrow 30 bucks I must get a fine cast Lucius model

 

This whole fine cast thing is an excuse to up prices while using cheaper materials. The miniatures will still be as poorly moulded as they've always been.

That combined with the new trading laws the company will lose even more money so they'll up the prices again to try and compensate. By that time too much of their fan base will probably have given the hobby up or gone elsewhere. I'll be surprised if Games Workshop survives for another 2 years. In my opinion they've committed commercial suicide.

All of this is undoubtedly the decisions of a bunch of suits in some executive fuck room somewhere, fresh out of university with business degrees and they think they know what they're talking about.

 

Though I would not entirely rule out the cheaper materials for upping prices, as far as i have seen, and heard, the 'Resin' is not pure resin, its a resin-plastic combination, meaning they need to pay for a company to create the mixture, they need to pay MORE for replacing Molds, and have to replace the molds more regularly, along with that the resin sits MUCH better within a mold, over the metal they have been using, this means that you get the crisper details from the master model. Some models are shit purely from the amount of detail lost from metal cooling, over the resin cooling process.

In other words, the resin will be higher quality but does cost them more, despite the 'resin' being 'cheaper'.

 

sorry, PP?

 

Privateer Press, they do the Warmachine and Hordes games.

 

Not to mention I know the company as a whole has so far splashed out on over £2,000,000 sterling on new moulds. They gotta make the money back somehow.

 

The finecast stuff looks fantastic.

 

I didn't think that would go down well. I should change my signature to 'the man that everyone loves to disagree with'

 

Or "The man that loves to disagree with everyone"

jk.

OT: Seriously, I love the look of the new finecast range, and I kitbash for a lot of my models that should be metal anyway (Lictors out of Warriors: good, but weak ankles) and im not too fussed about the price change, either. IMO metal models are normally either for Elite/HQ units, or specialist armies, and you either dont need that many of them, or you expect to pay through the nose when you start the army.

 

well its gonna make some of my conversions alot easyer, but will make some of my planned apoc units a layoff as Im not paying close to £25 a shokk attack gun (if the list of prices bits&kits posted is right), also gonna irritate my ebay buying, used to be able to pick up metal Ghazkulls on the cheap after 12 year olds had dipped them in paint and strip them for warbosses, now they will be resin and harder (but not imposable) to strip.

Ah well will just have to buy only 2 3rds the product I do or stop building the apoc army (unlikely)

 

The real boon of resin is not anything to do with quality, the real advantage of it is conversion.

Ever had a want to borrow another models weapon/armor, but realized that converting pewter models was a fools dream, well not anymore.

 

The real boon of resin is not anything to do with quality, the real advantage of it is conversion.

This. I'll be picking up at least two Daemon Princes of Nurgle on Saturday, for sure...this move will open up so many more models to us converting types.


And...now it's been officially announced, I can actually talk about it! This has been driving me nuts since I started working there mid-March, as I've been doing nothing except cast resin stuff since then and was dying to say something while watching all the discussions here (and elsewhere) :grin: I'm genuinely not saying this because I work there (I'm a fan of GW's stuff, not a fanboy) - I think this is a pretty positive move.

And to everyone who's wondering: it is definitely NOT the same as Forge World resin, it's smoother and much less brittle once it's fully cured. It doesn't need washing to remove the mould-release agent before assembling/painting like the Forge World resin, either; and it's not carcinogenic (I've seen the barrels it comes in) which is always, y'know, a plus.

 

Svart you were holding out on us!

 

you held out on us? a curse on you!...XD

It's sort of in the contract, the whole 'don't talk about stuff till we say it's OK' thing. Which is fair enough when you think about it...

since I am assuming you know this: how's the quality from Metal to the new resin? is it that much better? or is the main points we will focus on be conversions and the lower required work to get it ready and looking proper?

The quality is at least as good (same master models, and all that), so to people who aren't much for converting etc. it won't really make any difference - apart from not needing to pin stuff anywhere near as much, and it not being anywhere near as likely to break when you drop it. Put a painted Finecast model next to a painted metal one and you really wouldn't know which was which.

 

The weight, apparently.

 

only for the Vetran players who liked the weight of the metals. I, myself, liked the models having abit of weight to them, but its more of a moot point, i just threw it in there cuz its a visible complaint ive heard many times over from metal to plastic.

 

Take a Finecast model, superglue two lead fishing weights to the underside of the base, and feel reassured by the weight of this obviously metal and therefore REAL model.

:grin:

 

hahahahahahaha.

 

I won't be happy til I get my Super dense metal on the base. Meanwhile, I'll stick with placing coppers in them.

 

So is this range compatible with plastic glue?

 

As far as I know, it needs to be superglue (since it's not actually plastic, although it feels pretty close).

 

I'm used to work with FW resin, so if this one's better, It's great. That's exactly the type of thing that warrants higher profit for GW.

I just wish I hadn't bought My Crowe and Draigo Oh well, I'll be buying Coteaz. I'm also hoping that Inquisitor w/ powerfist comes back in resin

Phil

 

I came.........SO if anyone needs me i will be changing pants due to the awesome level of these models. Lots of stuff i will be picking up due to conversion Options.

 

I am vey happy with this. Look forward to getting a few Dwarf Lords and some SM characters.

 

These Finecast models look pretty darn sexy. I hope they show off more models in the other armies, like Imperial Guard. Damn would I love some standard Commissars to be as detailed as the Death Korp of Kreig ones!

 

I may actually buy the CSM Rapters now, iv been using the SM Assault Marines for mine cause of the ease of customization. im really looking forward to getting hands on those new fine cast stuff models maybe get a look on sat.

Looks like we'll be seeing even more detailed miniatures in future releases and i bet my bottom doller(pound for me) that itll be Necrons who'll get the first new sculpts in finecast instead of recasts.

 

I may actually buy the CSM Rapters now...

I was actually casting those a few weeks back - I'd never seen those models in the flesh before - and they look great in resin

 

Models are looking good, i'm impressed.

I don't know if this has been answered or not, but how are the models on the sprue (if anyone knows)? Ie. If I wanted to replace the head on the Emperor's Champion, for example - seperate piece, or will the head need to be removed from the body?

I suspect the latter, but i'm hoping its the former.

 

svart knows

 

Wow, these look very nice indeed.

Looks like I'll be picking up more SM minis (and some dwarfs on the side) if any are left at my local FLGS. I found out from one of the employees that they had not ordered all that much--3 each of the ones that they thought would sell.

 

Wonder if the monsters due in July with Storm of Magic will be finecast or plastic.

 

Yeah thats a good point, is everything going to be made from their hybrid resin? If their saying its the best material for models ever made you'd think that they'd slowly phase out plastic as well.

 

Thats not why they used plastic in the first place. Plastic can be mass produced, these resin models can't.

 

Svart, question, now that you can officially talk about these are they hand poured or spuncast?

 

Spuncast. The Forge World stuff is still hand-poured, same as before.

I have one serious question and that is what is the finecast durability in hot weather, I live in a place that is like an oven in summer...

The honest answer to that is "I don't know for sure", because it's not something I've seen tested myself. I can't imagine they wouldn't have made sure that base was covered, though.

Please god let them be free of mould lines. Those things really piss me off.

They're moulded in a mould, so are still susceptible to mould lines I'm afraid; but no more so than the plastics, and any mould lines that might appear are just as easy to get rid of as they are on the plastics.

I wonder if because it’s a resin / plastic mix can liquid poly be used on it? Also, if as I’ve heard about some resin; it is brittle to the point of breaking easily?

No, and no. You'll need to use superglue, since it's a resin and not actually a plastic (despite feeling very close to plastic); and I've dropped Wossname, the Terror of Thingy from the LoTR range onto a hard floor myself (because I'm a total klutz) and lo - no breakage.

...do you know if Eldrad is getting recast?

I think he might be, but I'm not 100% sure - I can't remember seeing him for definite with my own eyes, but then all pointy-ears look alike to me so I can't be sure :grin:


hth guys