Cheddar Marines, cheesing up a 2K list.

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Jace of Ultramar

Discussion Starter · Oct 7, 2014

This coming 3 day weekend I've been invited to a game at s friend's place with his usual gaming group. These guys were the most excited to hear about Unbound Armies that I can think of and they really cheese it up something fierce. As an example, I know the Eldar player is bringing the following:

2 Avatars
2 Farseers on Jetbike
10 Warp Spiders
3 Wraith Lords
2 Wraith Knights

And I'm sure the Tau player will have a crap ton of Riptides and Broadsides. Typically, I do not design my army lists with the extreme end of winning in mind. I usually write my lists for fun and try to keep it fairly balanced or themed, but, I won't be able to survive the first couple of turns against something like Typhus, 150 Zombies, and 3 Helldrakes with my usual list writing. I'm the only Marine player that will show up and I know that the others will be Eldar, Tau, Chaos, Tyranids, Chaos/Daemons, and Tau/Eldar. With that in mind, I'm not sure which direction to take things in. My preliminary list looks like the following.

Sicarius
Tigurius
Cypher
Combat squad with Lasback
Scouts w/Telion
Stormtalon w/TLLC
Predator w/TLLC, LC sponsons, Chronus
2 KnightTitans
ADL w/Quadgun

And that's about it. I'm a little on the stumped side with this and wouldn't mind some input as to the direction I should take.

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vonklaude

· #4 · Oct 19, 2014 (Edited)

Jace of Ultramar said:
Sicarius
Tigurius
Cypher
Combat squad with Lasback
Scouts w/Telion
Stormtalon w/TLLC
Predator w/TLLC, LC sponsons, Chronus
2 KnightTitans
ADL w/Quadgun

And that's about it. I'm a little on the stumped side with this and wouldn't mind some input as to the direction I should take.

If you want cheese, surely allies?

I like IG, but cheesier can be found. For example, for 1474 of your 2000 points you can take -

1x HQ: Space Marine Librarian in Power Armour + Combi-Plasmagun
1x HQ: Company Command Squad x4 + Plasma gun x4 + 1x Chimera [Guard]
3x Elite: Dreadnoughts Twin-Linked Autocannon + Twin-Linked Autocannon
2x Troops: Tactical Squads x 9 + Sgt x1 + Combi-Meltagun x1 + Rhinos
1x Troops: Veteran Squad x9 Veteran Squad + Meltagun x3 + Sgt x1 + 1x Chimera
3x Fast Attack: Vendetta Gunship Squadron

Leaving 526 points for other things. I'd field LasPlasbacks over Lasbacks, for example. Now that you can buy the turrets from FW.

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vonklaude

· #7 · Oct 21, 2014 (Edited)

neferhet said:
that list of yours is no cheese!
i'd go, if unbound:
2 knights
5 razolaser
5 tac squads with lascannon
aegis+quadgun (even razorbacks can get that nice 4+ cover save)
3 drop pds with dreadnought + heavy flamer
the rest of the points at your discretion i suggest an assassin

cheers

I agree with Aegis and quadgun. But I don't follow how drop pods and razolasers are cheese? LasPlas Razors seem cheesier to me. And drop pods with cc dreads? Riflemen seem cheesier. Tac squads would be cheesier with MM I would think. In the OP's list the Knights felt like the only cheesy element. neferhet's list certainly cheeses that up hugely.

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vonklaude

· #22 · Oct 23, 2014

Jace of Ultramar said:
Sadly, I do and I almost gave them away. I inherited them from a couple of retiring players and a bitz auction on eBay. 24 of those suckers actually sitting on the table can be a bit over the top, admittedly. But, when looking across the table at 7 Riptides and other odd ball stuff, its not so bad.

I really like where you took the list. It was great that you were able to strip it back to nothing-but-lascannons. Getting rid of all those characters and diverse units to focus it on implementing one tactic very well. (I play Vendetta's over Stormtalons. They're cheaper with a lot moar lascannon, but no ceramite.)

Also, I feel you satisfied your goal of cheese. In that it seems to me like 'cheese' in wargaming carries a sense of gambit and a sense of minimaxing. To me your list does both!

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