Let's not forget that the Ultramarines were so far from the fighting, they had very little idea it was occuring. It's hinted in "A Thousand Sons" that it's very tough to send a message via the warp and is very easy to be misinterpreted. Like an e-mail with several words or letters missing, I presume.Okay, still doesnt explain how these WBs outnumbered 10 to 1 destroyed the atmoshere of one Ultramar World, destroyed mutiple Ultra ships (not small craft either, major ships), and battle Ultramar itself. The WB then mostly survived and ran of to the Maelstrom. This is half of a single legion battling ALL of the Ultramarines. If the number of Ultras as most propose is, then the WBs are outnumbered 10 t0 1 and still came out intact. How is this possible unless the WBs are much better Ship fighters than the Ultras? I have not read the book but I like to know how this happen?
I think the Space Wolves may have those 2 very large Great Companies with 200 Marines each, then Great Companies with about the Salamander's company-size (120 each), and some between these two ends (say 150 each). So all in all maybe 1,750 Marines, with a further 100 in the Great Wolves' Great Company.Its obvious that the Space Wolves generally do disregard the Codex Astartes, but from what the Baron quoted (the second largest company consisting of 200 Astartes) gives us some reference to base their overall numbers on.
Whilst the Blood Angels do eventually get a complement of recruits from each Chapters none of the Successor Chapters are particularly comfortable in each other's presence- they cooperate when they must but not a single moment more.The Blood Angels could definitely do it, because it red fury the book they have already called all of the chapters that could make it (even if only represented by 5 people at the time) so if there was an emergency they could easily call up a legion sized army.
last time they did it was to restore their depleted forces so they don't collapse if chaos find out their current state of weakness, and they called a tithe from very founding chapter originally from the BA to spend time in the forces to help them until they return to full strength if i remember correctly.
Not really.As for the first founding chapters disobeying Super Smurf, shows that they still don't agree with the codex, but follow it out of necessity, for they also fear being ex-communicated, which would suggest that the inquisition and/or other chapters are silently threatening these chapters.
In addition Corax embraced the Codex.The Adeptus Terra has never felt it necessary to enforce the Codex absolutely. Indeed it is doubtful whether it could.
Following the Heresy, Roboute Guilliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines, became the de facto head of the Imperium's armed forces and one of the first edicts is his holy tome, the Codex Astartes, was that the Space Marines Legions be split into smaller units known as Chapters. Amongst many of the Primarchs there was resistance, but Corax welcomed the decision, knowing that Guilliman's vision of the future was true. Thus the Raven Guard were to give rise to three other Chapters: the Black Guard, the Revilers and the Raptors.
Although we should take into account that inevitably some of those Chapters who owe their gene-seed to Guilliman are now so far removed from the Ultramarines that they may not feel any sense of loyalty or common purpose at all.I think it's roughly half of all the SM Chapters in M41 owe their gene seed, at least in part, to the Ultamarines. Theres supposed to be around 1000 Chapters, so thats 500 chapters of roughly 1000 marines each. I don't think any of the legions came anywhere near that sort of size.
Whats 10,000 super human killing machines with big guns between friends eh?And it's actually 60% of Chapters are of Guilliman's seed not 50% :wink:
Sorry for the double post, I completely missed this!Although we should take into account that inevitably some of those Chapters who owe their gene-seed to Guilliman are now so far removed from the Ultramarines that they may not feel any sense of loyalty or common purpose at all.