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Hello everyone ^_^

I have decided to create a chaos space marines army. ( i did a trade and recived a few models for free and thought hey a new army) I am a newb when it comes to chaos and used what i had lyeing around.

Iam having trouble with my lists.

I generally play against guardsman and everytime I play iam always 1 kill point off from winning and iam not sure what i can do to make it competitive.

Here are my lists ;

1500pts (1496pts)

HQ

Chaos lord

Mark of nurgle

Lightning claw

Combi bolter

Sorcerer
X1 mastery level

Combi bolter

Mark of Tzeentch

Elite

Hell brute

Twin linked Lascannon

Troop

X2 10x chaos space marines x2 plasma guns x2 combi bolter

X2 20x cultists x2 flamers

Dedicated transport

X2 Rhinos

Heavy

X2 havocs 10x x4 missile launchers x2 combi bolter

X1 vindicator combi boltor


I think iam having trouble with taking out tanks and fitting in the points.

I also find that no matter what I seem to do I lose near enough lose half of my units turn 1 from battle cannons that ignore cover and are instant death, double strength, ignoreing armour.

Same with master of ordinance spam.

I tried keeping reserves BUT master of fleet keeps them under wraps.


I still havent won a game yet with them But iam still trying even with the odds.

Any recommendations, tips and advice?

Thank you for your time
 

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First thing - You don't need a lord AND a sorcerer, personally I'd go for a Sorcerer or Daemon Prince.

Go for some Mark of Nugle on you CSM, and Drop the Hellbrute and Vindicator, this will leave you with plenty of points for obliterators - best heavy weapon infantry in existence. Have a look at Mossy Toes tactica, he takes the codex apart and tells whats worth taking and what isnt.
 

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First thing - You don't need a lord AND a sorcerer, personally I'd go for a Sorcerer or Daemon Prince.

Go for some Mark of Nugle on you CSM, and Drop the Hellbrute and Vindicator, this will leave you with plenty of points for obliterators - best heavy weapon infantry in existence. Have a look at Mossy Toes tactica, he takes the codex apart and tells whats worth taking and what isnt.
Hi there thank-you for the quick reply I shall go and check it out now.
 

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Hi man, let's see if i can help you.
First thing first: drop all those damned combibolters. also, i'm not shure how you can have 2 combibolters per marine squad (unless you meant that both squad had one)
then, your list is clearly friendly and not tailored to match IG. your friend, instead, might be doing list tailoring to neuter you ;)
Against a blast heavy IG army i'd go:

Chaos Sorceror
bike, power maul
2nd level (telepathy to get invisibility or puppet master)
Sigils of corruption
(130)

5 Bikers
2 meltaguns
(120)

5 Nurgle spawns (180)
5 Nurgle spawns (180)

10 cultists
(50)

10 Marines, 2 meltaguns, meltabombs, pistol + ccw, rhino (200)
10 Marines, 2 flamers, bolters, rhino (185)

2 Nurgle obliterators (152)
2 Nurgle obliterators (152)
2 Nurgle obliterators (152)

It's 1501 pts. fast threats, 3 troops, good number of meltaguns to kill vehicles, 3 units of obliterators for maximum versatility and most important, all multiwound models have T5 or 6, negating instadeath from many weapons. also, rhino and oblits should be able to wheather the Str 8 - 9 blast storm :p ( i hope)
Sorceror + bikers and spawns should go fast as they can, assaulting vehicles squadrons and wrecking them or get stuck (and then impossible to shoot) in big infantry blobs.
Oblits shoot where needed, cultists take home objectives, marines fry infantry or vehicles and take objectives.
Glory to Chaos!
 

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Hi man, let's see if i can help you.
First thing first: drop all those damned combibolters. also, i'm not shure how you can have 2 combibolters per marine squad (unless you meant that both squad had one)
then, your list is clearly friendly and not tailored to match IG. your friend, instead, might be doing list tailoring to neuter you ;)
Against a blast heavy IG army i'd go:

Chaos Sorceror
bike, power maul
2nd level (telepathy to get invisibility or puppet master)
Sigils of corruption
(130)

5 Bikers
2 meltaguns
(120)

5 Nurgle spawns (180)
5 Nurgle spawns (180)

10 cultists
(50)

10 Marines, 2 meltaguns, meltabombs, pistol + ccw, rhino (200)
10 Marines, 2 flamers, bolters, rhino (185)

2 Nurgle obliterators (152)
2 Nurgle obliterators (152)
2 Nurgle obliterators (152)

It's 1501 pts. fast threats, 3 troops, good number of meltaguns to kill vehicles, 3 units of obliterators for maximum versatility and most important, all multiwound models have T5 or 6, negating instadeath from many weapons. also, rhino and oblits should be able to wheather the Str 8 - 9 blast storm :p ( i hope)
Sorceror + bikers and spawns should go fast as they can, assaulting vehicles squadrons and wrecking them or get stuck (and then impossible to shoot) in big infantry blobs.
Oblits shoot where needed, cultists take home objectives, marines fry infantry or vehicles and take objectives.
Glory to Chaos!

Ahahhh yes i guess :') i originally took the combi bolters because i had a few points left over.

But personally i find the list you made very interesting and much more supportive from what i can see. :)

I take it I should deep strike the obliterators or at least keep them at an distance?

And should i keep the spawn to charge troops?

Thanks again ^_^

CHAOS IS LIFE CHAOS IS THE WAY!
 

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I take it I should deep strike the obliterators or at least keep them at an distance?

And should i keep the spawn to charge troops?
as you said, reserve unit could be dangerous, so screw that. deploy them and start shooting from the beginning. IF he doesn't field the bugger, then you might think about DS one unit of oblits, imo.

Spawns are great at butchering troops but never forget that their insane amount of Str 5 attacks can wreck any tank (Av 10 is so common on their rear armour!)

You're welcome, fellow heretic!
 
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