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I'm wondering if since our Codex shows normal Chaos Space Marines as being equipped normally with Bolt Pistols, Close Combat Weapons, and Bolters...if we model a squad as all having bolters, do they still count as having the pistol for an extra attack? And Vise-versa...if I model the squad with chainswords and bolt pistols, would they be able to shoot normal bolters? Or do we have to model them to represent either way? Might be a dumb question, but I'm a bit caught up on this. Thanks!
 

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As it is standard fitout they are all considered to have all these weapons. It is understood that a standard csm has all three weapons regardless of weather the model has all modelled. The thing is where there is a wargear OPTION if you take it it should be modelled. Ie a standard csm who swaps his bolter for a plasma gun should have the plasma gun on the model. However he will still be considered to have his polt pistol and cc weapon. Hope this helps
 

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Found a forum addressing this when the new CSM Codex came out, and apparently it seems like not many people worry about it seeing as how it's standard equipment on CSMs. Answered my own question...
 

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Really? You don't *need* to model the bolter to say it has one?

Sounds like stretching the rules if you ask me.
If the rules specifically said that the model was armed with a bolter only, then the bolter would have to be modeled.
If they specifically said that they were armed with a bolt pistol and close combat weapon, then they would have to be modeled.
However, as they have both, only one is needed to be modeled.

There are no rules disputes as all variations have access to a bolter, bolt pistol, and close combat weapon (besides some cult troops, etc).

Its the same as loyalist marines and grenades. If you were to complain about me shooting a bolter thats not modeled on my CSM, then i would complain about you using your frag/krak grenades without them being modeled on your marines.
 

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I could be wrong but I always thought that if it was standard load out for the model then it did not have to actually be modeled with it. For example like king of cheese said kraks and frags. Specialized shit like melta bombs, PW, PF, etc. Had to be WYSIWYG. Thats how we do it at the FLGS where I play.
 

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with non special/heavy weapon troops, if it is modeled with a bolter, it has 1 close combat attack, if it was modeled with a chaisword and bolt pistol, it doesn'y have a bolter, just a bolt pistol, but gets 2 close ombat attacks:victory:
 

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The WYSWIG boxout on p47 refers to characters in particular, and models in general.

Generally speaking, it's applied to characters, specialists and unit leaders.

A captain with a power sword should have something power sword-like.
A specialist with a flamer should have a flamer.
A sergeant with a power fist should have a power fist.

The individual models in a squad are usually held to be less important for WYSWIG, as long as you know what they are - an individual assault marine could be dual wielding bolt pistols or chainswords, and no-one usually cares as they have no other weapon options. The specialists in the squad who have flamer or meltaguns should have them, and the sergeant should have any notciable upgrades.
 

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with non special/heavy weapon troops, if it is modeled with a bolter, it has 1 close combat attack, if it was modeled with a chaisword and bolt pistol, it doesn'y have a bolter, just a bolt pistol, but gets 2 close ombat attacks:victory:
Sorry, but that is wrong.

CSM troops can use a bolter, bolt pistol, and a close combat weapon, regardless of how they are modeled (providing they dont take upgrades that replace them).

I model mine with bolt pistols and close combat weapons, however i quite often shoot with bolters.
The few that i have modeled with bolters, i still get the bonus attack for 2 close combat weapons.
 

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with non special/heavy weapon troops, if it is modeled with a bolter, it has 1 close combat attack, if it was modeled with a chaisword and bolt pistol, it doesn'y have a bolter, just a bolt pistol, but gets 2 close ombat attacks:victory:
This is nonsense i'm afraid. P47 of the rule book clarifies WYSIWYG for characters but even then the spirit of the rules is clear.

For us rules lawers there is no compunction to exactly model wargear anywhere in the rules.

IMO
 
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