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Well looks like There are only 5 seperate lists now. Black legion and all the rest coming under one banner and the four different gods.

Also DAEMON NERF
looks like theres only 2 types of daemons, Lesser and Greater. :(
 

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Urm Jigg may i ask where you got this info from?
Just seems totally out there when it comes to reduxes, but never know with GW :?
 

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Well in the process of trying to kill IW they kill all the other undevided legions and daemon redux screws over word bearers as myself :?
Doesnt have to be so radical in theory and it doesnt make a damn worth of sense fluff wise either
Of course again this IS GW :(
 

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I think It's plain obvious IW's needed a nerf, although It will be Interesting to see how the rest of the codex turns out. Looking at the recent codex updates they do seem to be concentrating on balancing out all of the races to a level(ish) playing field trying to knock out the copy/paste lists and making players really work hard to make a competetive army encouraging the combined arms approach rather than the typical one trick pony lists.
Apparently the BA's are also having a chapter aproved type update via WD Canada Issues 13+14, should be Interesting to see what that throws up.....
 

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I do like the idea of like limiting the legions yeah, but killing the undevided legions by making them all under a banner doesnt seem to make sense to me... just me though, the daemons, ive no idea what they mean by greater and lesser only, the fast attact section of daemons and the troops are lesser, and greater are the Hq's, they getting rid of possesed and oblits and raptors the daemon kin?, hell if thats it then might as well say they didnt have a heresey at all then :(
 

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While I am a massive fan of having lots of options, I do think the Tau, Tyranid and Eldar codicies are better balanced than some of their previous incarnations. While this hurts from a fluff perspective, it may make game balance more than a pipedream. I was a bit miffed when I saw that Craftworlds had gone by the wayside, but then considering what people were doing with them, it was better for the game as a whole. Having all the options in the world mean nothing if one option is so powerful that everyone gravitates towards it and ignores the rest. I've actually seen more variations on eldar lists since the new codex came out than I did when you had a lot more choices. Now it's a question of "What do I want in my eldar army" instead of "Do I want to play Alaitoc or Ulthwe?"
 

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unfortuantly its the way of the codex now... either very specific (da) or very general (eldar). But hey chaos with no abusable special rules ..al la IW , can only be a good thing. And this is from an AL player.
 

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DaemonsRus, you may actually want to hear more than vagarisms before you get cranky and decide that this newest update invalidates both the playability and lore of Chaos.
 

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Yeah uber was thinking about that and think ill be quiet on teh subject for a little until more is released
Sorry for teh crankiness :?
 

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Sounds like the hundred cultists may get put back in the loft, Its a shame if we all have to suffer, due to IW cheese.

Are there any solid facts on this re-dux and Dakka asked where is this coming from?
 

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I hope they don't destroy the great variaty that you can get with chaos
marines right now (don't want my dreams of one day having a 2000 pts
army from each major legion getting crushed)

There have however been a few other model related rumors;

Plastic Terminators (I believe some gw guy has confirmed these were being made)
Plastic Dreadnaught (finally)
Plastic army commander (makes a lott of sense)
More Daemon Engine (maybe plastic, probably related to the armageddon codex)
 

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Guy i know has seen one of the codex mock ups. We were talking about it today, and are hoping that the daemons thing is just that they have not yet been added properly to that incarnation.

Basically he said that the copy he saw All lesser daemons had the same stats, so no diff between Bloodletter or furies for example, and all greater daemons were one set of stats.
 

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Noooooooo Nooooooooo, they will kill chaos if they lump all Undivided together, all you will get is heaps of BL and IW because they easy to paint and hte interesting Undivided legions will die.

Plus getting ride of Obliterators, Raptors and making all deamons the same is probably the most stupid I have ever heard (Yes it even beats the HE Intrigue At Court rule).

Its GW, its just the thought of thing they would do.

It looks as if my dream of doing a Nightlords army is going to die. :cry:

Chaos: The new orks. i.e. dead.
 

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Unlike you, I'm going to want a more official source than Jigplum's reading of an internal work-in-progress codex before I panic.

A mock-up is a plan, which could be anything from it being a late-stage draft, to the main outline of the final product, with arbitrary values for the fields they haven't finalised. Given that the Chaos codex is not due for months, the latter is far more likely than the former.
 

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As unfortunate as it seems, this IS Gw we're dealing with, but ive taken a breather from my freak out, and yeah id like to see more info as it comes along and what looks more final before i freak out
 
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