[chrisman 007]

Just played against a friend who collects chaos, and was shocked by the result. I carefully set up lines of guardsmen, following the guy at the shops every word. But then he infiltrated his tzeench (I think) and some Ork kommandos (Yes he had orks for some strange reason). In short, he tore me to peices:shok:. In one turn. With two units:shok:. Only losing 5 men:shok:. I mean, come on, even his standard infantry grunts had an 3+ invunreble! Is it that he's bending the rules, or is it that chaos is too overpowered? The point of the game is so we can have fun, so why make games so unbalanced.

Thanks for listening forum users

 

[Bishop120]

Ork Kommandos and 3+ Invulnerables?? Thats not in the chaos codex... sounds like you were set up to loose. You have been had. Next time you see those people kick them in the nuts.

 

[angels of fire]

I agree its not chaos being overpowered its that guy bending the rules and being an ass... give him a good kick in the balls :biggrin:

 

[Sons of Russ]

Just played against a friend who collects chaos, and was shocked by the result. I carefully set up lines of guardsmen, following the guy at the shops every word. But then he infiltrated his tzeench (I think) and some Ork kommandos (Yes he had orks for some strange reason). In short, he tore me to peices:shok:. In one turn. With two units:shok:. Only losing 5 men:shok:. I mean, come on, even his standard infantry grunts had an 3+ invunreble! Is it that he's bending the rules, or is it that chaos is too overpowered? The point of the game is so we can have fun, so why make games so unbalance.

Thanks for listening forum users

let me guess... he just happened to forget his codex at home eh?opcorn:

Meh...I never worry about that....


I own my own copy of the current codicies.

Two reasons:

Know Thy Enemy.

Douchebags like him.


Thousand Sons (Tzeentch) are 4+ invulnerable, but they do get AP3 bolters)

no, ork kommandos have nothing to do with chaos. He is full of shit.

In fact, just tell me where to find this guy, I'll kick him in the ass myself...

 

[The Wraithlord]

Blatant cheating on his part. I would never play that person again.

 

[Morgal]

Well i'm a bit more forgiving than most.
It seems he played 2 armies.

Chaos is one army and Orks another. To play both he needs to get on his knees and ask for your permission. Also by plaing chaos and Orks he needs an HQ for both, and 2 troops for both. So he should not have been able to build a good list.

Also Chaos space marines are tough, but as guard you should out number him by a fair bit. Also to infiltrate he needs to be more than 12" away, he could not assault you first turn unless he cheated. So the first turn should have been you shooting the bejeezus out of him. turn 2 i can see him being in combat.
With out more details it's hard to say but sounds like the guy was sort of a jerk.

Also what was the point limit?

Also i read the guys advice you where given while good it's not perfect.
Some things he missed.

Guard need cover. We don't have the armor space marines do so we need to hide in tree's. You noticed how his bolters don't let you get your 5+ save yet he always get's his 3+?
Even the odds in cover you can get a 4 or a 5+ save, while not as good your paying far less points per model. So keep your troops in cover if you can, armies like space marines and such don't need to worry as much about cover.

 

[Slainsoldier]

Give him a taste of his own medicine. Double up on him with Tau and Necrons or something equally sad, and when he cries, tell him to produce a codex that says you cannot, and that he can.

 

[Morgal]

Enough bashing, lets assume this is a friendly game and both are new.

Your friend can not field 2 armies, the reason for this is most armies have a weakness. by using 2 armies he has no weaknesses

I mentioned he can not assault in turn one, this is a fact because no unit can assault in turn one. all units that infiltrate can only move 6" and charge 6" If he was 12" away he would be a micro millimeter away because he could not be closer. Same for fast movers.

He went through all your units with 2 units? again i ask how many points game was this?

Also if you want help on your list feel free to post it, also on the other thread i posted some of my personal thought on that list.

 

[A Soporific]

No, just use stats for the Tau rifle for your Guardsmen's weapons and give them all a 5+ invul from Cyber Enhancement. Oh, and power weapons for all, you do get them cheap as is. Say that you're using "Master Xenos-Fighter" or "Inquisitiorial Elite" Special Rules from a White Dwarf you don't have.

 

[The Deserter]

It sounds like he was killing you with orks more than chaos. And besides I have the chaos codex. Does anyone else here know how he even manged to get orks on the table? Chaos are powerfull but I have never once beaten my best friend with them. I agree with Bishop120 and Wrathlord.

 

[Katie Drake]

I don't agree with giving him a taste of his own medicine and stuff. Why set up another silly game with cheating rules? Just kick him in the nuts like other people have said. That's what I'd do.

Katie D

 

[Imperial Dragon]

i agree with all the people about kicking somewhere

 

[Morgal]

Your all fairly violent if both players are new it may have been blantant cheeting or a misunderstanding of the rules.

Maybe on brought 1500 points the other 1000...it would look fine to the novice player..1500 chaos looks right compared to 1000ig if you ignore stats.
he may have also been blatantly unaware of force organization and rules....

they may have just said lets play with what we have.

Kicking is not good advice.

what is good advice.

Determine this "friends" experience level and familiarize yourself with the rules

If he is inexperienced and cheated by acedent inform him, if he is experienced then confront him or refuse to play a another game.

the broblem with both of these is it seems he is a friend and your gaming may be limited if you turn down a foe you could possibly play with....but if he's the sort who only cares about winning maybe you don't want to play with him.

Also posting more information on the game may help us define the problem and possibly help.

A great thing to do is read the tacticas on various web sites, i have read almost all of them and while each is different there is tips you can gain from them. Also post your army list and we can help fine tune it, we can also verify his if you post it to insure it's legan ig you feel you need to question that.

Also no chaso is not overpowered. nor is IG underpowered.

However they are vastly different forces. Chaos is a good all around army depending on few strong units., IG depend on mass numbers and are typically better at range combat.

 

[Sycoa]

Well, I just lost a 1500pt game versus Chaos tonight. I don't know about them being overpowered, however, the terminators I am iffy about...(Power weapons for all of them come standard? What?)

However, I didn't gear my list towards Chaos w/ vehicles, just anti-troop, so I can't really blame anything. All I can say is they just might need a tiny bit toning down? :dunno:

 

[Triumph Of Man]

Well, I just lost a 1500pt game versus Chaos tonight. I don't know about them being overpowered, however, the terminators I am iffy about...(Power weapons for all of them come standard? What?)

Well, loyalists come with fists standard, which are more expensive. Chaos Termies are cheaper base, so it's not that surprising they've got the cheaper CC weapon.

 

[Morgal]

meh 11 point rough riders show em who's boss.
"invulnerable this mwhahahahahaha."

 

[The Deserter]

From what I've read It might have actually been an Apocalyspe game, if so most of it would have been legal. If not this friend is a cheating scum and I would go for the kicking.

 

[SyNide]

Lol, Precisely Deserter.

It could have been an apoc game.

Anyway, chaos isn't overpowered, pretty strong i'll admit but overpowered? Nah. Especially not for IG.

 

[jeppax]

I have played chaos a longer time of my colecting and i have never won a real game just some very smal ''just kill time games'' was the only thing that iwe won so the chaos aren't owerpowered.:wink:

 

[Urban Knight]

If I were you I would only play people who have their codex with them and if something seems over powered ask them to show you the rule.

if they don't have their codex to hand then tell them they can't do it.