[blackhole]

Basically the title. My question is, do the Chaos gods have power beyond the galaxy that 40k is set in? Or are they restricted to one galaxy only? This also raises the question do they have counterparts in the other galaxy's'?

 

[gen.ahab]

Always wondered if that was true. I don't see why they wouldn't or why they would have that kind of restriction.

 

[blackhole]

Well I'm not sure on this so I may be wrong, but doesn't the warp only extend through out the galaxy only?

 

[Baron Spikey]

The Warp is an alternate reality, nothing I know states that it only affects the Milky Way or is somehow constrained by the Galaxy's borders- I think it's in all universe but doesn't really have any affect on those areas that have little to no sentient life.

 

[blackhole]

But we know that other galaxy's have life (or at least had it) thanks to the Tyranids no? So would that give the Chaos gods control of that area or does another set of gods rule there?

 

[Imperious]

The warp lies as a parallel existence to the material plane. There probably is no mention of chaos beyond the galaxy, because there is no mention of anything going on beyond the galaxy. In other words because chaos has no playthings outside of the milky way there's no reason for them to venture beyond the milky way.

 

[Baron Spikey]

For all we know the Chaos Gods are a major part of every galaxy with psychically sensitive, sentient life- the Cabal (ref. Legion) states that humanity is Chaos' greatest tool but that might only be in this galaxy because the Cabal then go onto say that if humanity was destroyed then the Primordial Annihilator would be fatally weakened, which is something we know wouldn't happen as it's not just this reality that sustains the Chaos Powers (well if you hold to the theory as I do that the Fantasy world is in a parallel universe).

Maybe it's something like the anthromorphic creations in Terry Prachett's Discworld- the believers influence how the being appears to them, in this galaxy Khorne is a dog-faced, bronze clad superlative warrior but who's to say that in the Andromeda Galaxy he doesn't take on a completely different archtypal form. As CotE constantly tries to drum into the members of Heresy's heads- Chaos knows no restrictions, time and space have no meaning within the realm of the empyrean.

 

[gen.ahab]

(well if you hold to the theory as I do that the Fantasy world is in a parallel universe).

Bah, as I said before, they are as much a parallel universe as halo. Maybe if GW wanted to open that can of worms, not really because it wouldn't require much work, they could, but they said they aren't. At least that is what I am told.

 

[WarMaster Sindr]

Hey look im gonna say that they thrive on anything that feels emtion so if their are races outside of the galaxy they might be there

And dont forget the chaos gods wernt born but were begining to be when the Emperor came into existence but they feed on the souls of the shamans and shamans came togeatjer pooled pyshic power to creat oone being year later they all dead Emperor Born most power pyshic being in galaxy and immortal to ageing

 

[Baron Spikey]

Bah, as I said before, they are as much a parallel universe as halo. Maybe if GW wanted to open that can of worms, not really because it wouldn't require much work, they could, but they said they aren't. At least that is what I am told.

GW has said that the Fantasy world is not part of the 40k universe, ergo it must be in a different reality and I've not heard anything from GW poo-pooing that theory.

Hey look im gonna say that they thrive on anything that feels emtion so if their are races outside of the galaxy they might be there

And dont forget the chaos gods wernt born but were begining to be when the Emperor came into existence but they feed on the souls of the shamans and shamans came togeatjer pooled pyshic power to creat oone being year later they all dead Emperor Born most power pyshic being in galaxy and immortal to ageing

Thank you for yet another nigh on incomprehensible post, this one is actually one of your more understandable contributions...not sure who 'they' are and why they're feeding on shaman souls, but hey it's you so that's not a surprise.

 

[gen.ahab]

GW has said that the Fantasy world is not part of the 40k universe, ergo it must be in a different reality and I've not heard anything from GW poo-pooing that theory.

Nothing confirming it either.... which means, until they get off their ass and say something, they aren't connected in any way.

 

[Baron Spikey]

That's why it's a theory, it's a theory I hold to- now I know people listen to what I have to say on Heresy regarding fluff (too much in my opinion) but I'm sure I've not become so influential my theories have become fact

 

[gen.ahab]

That's why it's a theory, it's a theory I hold to- now I know people listen to what I have to say on Heresy regarding fluff (too much in my opinion) but I'm sure I've not become so influential my theories have become fact

And every day I thank God for that .

 

[increaso]

I was thinking the other day 'what if the realm of chaos is the primary reality and the 40k universe and WFB world are two of many alternate realities?'. Glad to see my crazy ideas are not mine alone.

In a completely non-ass kiss way, I agree with the Baron on the other point as well. I would expect that the reach of the chaos god is theoretically unrestricted and any other galaxies would be touched by chaos, but the gods may not look the same or follow the same archetype (e.g. their version of Khorne might have a different name and might be the noble god of power and necessary murder as opposed to blood, war, hatred, etc).

I also believe that the conduit that draws the daemons in to the universe is the only real relevant proximity restrictor. So, if emotionless creatures like the Tyranids are the only thing in the galaxy I would suspect that chaos would not have a grip there.

 

[Giant Fossil Penguin]

Isn't it recieved in-universe that outside the galactic rim the warp becomes incredibly calm, to the point were warp-travel is almost impossible; also the Navigators are intensely afraid and will not go there unless forced?
I seems to me that, should the 4 Chaos gods be universe-wide, then it might be, as someone already pointed out, that they only make the warp turbulent in the areas where there is sentient life to make it worth their while actually manifesting. If Humanity would ever want to be able to travel extra-galactically then they'll have to invent an alternative to warp traval. The 'Nid strategy of gravity-bending-surfing seems interesting- although still incredibly slow for any thousand generations of Humans to survive the journey.
Another question- if the Emperor is becoming a god via Humanity's continued worship, then would he be able to be powerful in other galaxies, just like the Chaos gods? After all, if time and space don't matter to them, then fair-dos, eh? Actually, might the Emperor be something like Slaanesh- He mightn't be a god yet, but once he is he always will have been? I wonder what that would mean to the Imperium? That Lorgar was right and the Emperor was wrong? Could the Heresy have been started because the Empeor didn't recognise his own nature? So sorry to veer so OT. Ignore my wild finger-spasms if you want.

GFP

 

[Child-of-the-Emperor]

Nothing confirming it either.... which means, until they get off their ass and say something, they aren't connected in any way.

That's why it's a theory, it's a theory I hold to- now I know people listen to what I have to say on Heresy regarding fluff (too much in my opinion) but I'm sure I've not become so influential my theories have become fact

It's a theory that i've always adhered to as well. Although not through your influence im afraid Baron, I would never admit to giving you any credit.

You could also cite the fact that as the Tyranids are known to have travelled from (and consumed) other galaxies, and that they also utilise the warp in such travel, that the warp does in fact go unrestricted beyond the boundaries of the milky-way. Thus so does Chaos' influence.

Actually, might the Emperor be something like Slaanesh- He mightn't be a god yet, but once he is he always will have been?

I imagine many imcomprehensible statements like that would apply when/if he truly becomes a warp god.

Could the Heresy have been started because the Empeor didn't recognise his own nature? So sorry to veer so OT. Ignore my wild finger-spasms if you want.

I think its safe to say that the Heresy erupted because the Emperor was an idiot... The First Heretic is yet another Heresy novel which further goes to show this.

 

[Serpion5]

You could also cite the fact that as the Tyranids are known to have travelled from (and consumed) other galaxies, and that they also utilise the warp in such travel, that the warp does in fact go unrestricted beyond the boundaries of the milky-way. Thus so does Chaos' influence.

But the tyranids are no longer cited anywhere as using warp travel are they? Current Codex states they use a bio vessel called the narvhal which creates gravity tunnels (or some such crap) to close rapidly on prey worlds. It`s described as being slower than warp travel, but infinitely more reliable. Come to think of it, off the top of my head I`m not aware of any source material that references the tyranids ever using warp travel to move between worlds.

??? :read:

I think its safe to say that the Heresy erupted because the Emperor was an idiot... The First Heretic is yet another Heresy novel which further goes to show this.

This fact remains constant. :biggrin:


OT: As for the Ruinous powers reach extending beyond the galaxy? Well, time and space are infinite, so there are potentially untold life sustaining galaxies out there. For all we know, the psyker trait exists there as well as anywhere else.

However, if the systems of belief developed were so different, would the powers in question truly be the same gods at all? Khorne may represent pointless warfare in this region of space, but in a distant galaxy perhaps the dominant style of warfare is very different. The local war god there could be representative of courage and heroism, honour and fairplay.

It`s a theory I have held on to, that somewhere out there there might be a galaxy that has given rise to "Control Gods." Gods of order and harmony, rather than chaos and discord.

But that means little to us here, so I leave it in the realm of dreams, there to amuse me when I am not flaying or destroying my foes and scratching their cars. :crazy:

 

[Child-of-the-Emperor]

??? :read:

I believe that my naivety on Tyranid background has just shone through then, looks like the background has changed in the latest codex.

 

[Daddysen]

However, if the systems of belief developed were so different, would the powers in question truly be the same gods at all? Khorne may represent pointless warfare in this region of space, but in a distant galaxy perhaps the dominant style of warfare is very different. The local war god there could be representative of courage and heroism, honour and fairplay.

It`s a theory I have held on to, that somewhere out there there might be a galaxy that has given rise to "Control Gods." Gods of order and harmony, rather than chaos and discord.:

I like that Idea, In fact they should have Equal and Opposite Gods in this universe thats just how things are (or is that just a Law of Motion/physics)

anyway to answer they question " Do the Chaos Gods Have power beyond the galaxy? " Since Games workshop says that WHfantasy and 40k are completely separate and the 4 Chaos Gods are Identical in each. it would seem to suggest that they can exist between alternate Realities so I would think that they would also be able to Exist anywhere in this reality whether its a Solar system, Galaxy or Universe it would not matter.

Thats Just my opinion.

 

[Chompy Bits]

I think its safe to say that the Heresy erupted because the Emperor was an idiot... The First Heretic is yet another Heresy novel which further goes to show this.

Yeah, it seems that in order to make the Heresy happening make more sense, the HH books are just making the Emp seem stupider and stupider. I mean, a few years ago before the HH series many of my friends who are 40K fans always had major Emperor man-crushes (I've never particularly liked him, I'm pretty sure he was the Indian in the Village People). Nowadays, whenever someone mentions the Emperor it's like: 'Oh, that douchebag...'

As for the chaos gods having power outside the galaxy, I don't see why not. If the warp is an alternate reality which mirrors the whole of our own (albeit in a really wack, abstract way) then it's safe to assume that chaos gods can influence much more than only one galaxy.