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Okay, so I'm thinking of dumping my Dreadnoughts back into my World Eaters army and giving them a Plasma Cannon and CCW instead of just 2 CCW. Here's where me and a bud are having issues is the Fire Frenzy and LoS. What can a Dreadnought "see" and where from? This is prolly a topic that appeared ages ago but here we go again!:victory:
Now he's an avid Blood Angel player who has done alot of research on LoS for Deathcompany Dreadnoughts and Black Rage. He says that most people think a Dreadnought sees a 180 degree arc infront of them and can shoot at anything in that arc after pivoting. I think that the 180 degree arc LoS is a leftover from 4th Edition because I can't find it anywhere in the rulebook or on the FAQs.
In the rulebook on page 72 it says: "When firing a walker's weapons, pivot the walker on the spot so that its guns are aimed at the target (assume that all weapons mounted on a walker can swivel 45 degrees, like hull mounted weapons) and then measure the range from the weapon itself and line of sight from the mounting point of the weapon and along its barrel, as normal for vehicles." It also states something very similar on page 58.
This is where we have a disagreement. I think that since that since the dreadnought can only draw LoS from a 45 degree arc from the tip of it's weapons that is what it can see to shoot at before pivoting for Fire Frenzy. He believes the dreadnought can see everything in the 180 degree arc in front of it but in order to shoot at something it pivots and then uses the 45 degree firing arc.
Both are plausible but I can find nothing to validate his idea. If someone can please point it out to me. Or maybe there are flaws in how I have interpetted things.
Thanks in advance! :drinks:
Now he's an avid Blood Angel player who has done alot of research on LoS for Deathcompany Dreadnoughts and Black Rage. He says that most people think a Dreadnought sees a 180 degree arc infront of them and can shoot at anything in that arc after pivoting. I think that the 180 degree arc LoS is a leftover from 4th Edition because I can't find it anywhere in the rulebook or on the FAQs.
In the rulebook on page 72 it says: "When firing a walker's weapons, pivot the walker on the spot so that its guns are aimed at the target (assume that all weapons mounted on a walker can swivel 45 degrees, like hull mounted weapons) and then measure the range from the weapon itself and line of sight from the mounting point of the weapon and along its barrel, as normal for vehicles." It also states something very similar on page 58.
This is where we have a disagreement. I think that since that since the dreadnought can only draw LoS from a 45 degree arc from the tip of it's weapons that is what it can see to shoot at before pivoting for Fire Frenzy. He believes the dreadnought can see everything in the 180 degree arc in front of it but in order to shoot at something it pivots and then uses the 45 degree firing arc.
Both are plausible but I can find nothing to validate his idea. If someone can please point it out to me. Or maybe there are flaws in how I have interpetted things.
Thanks in advance! :drinks: