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they are very very effective!! if you team them with tiggy precience and ignores cover and a 4+ invule(cant think of the names right now)with his rerolls you can usually get these powere,not as relyable as once but they can still become a very powerful bomb!.put them in a raider and they now have a 36" threat bubble..

even with out the powers they are still really good..i team them up with 2 thunderfire cannons..so i dont waste them on anything over a 4+save..they go for the MC tanks etc.
 

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I bought them, ran them once, they ran off the table, and I shelved them. Of course this was after BT got squatted so Im sure they were trying to kill themselves from the sheer contradiction of it all.
so your saying 1 game gave you and expert opinion? sound like just very unlucky rolling.

seriously the model arnt too bad and they kinda grow on you..just take them for what they are,
they are good in the game..you need to be smart with them though..dont just throw them away they are bullet magnets..but i have found very few small arms fire bring them down..they usually go down to big things...and if they are getting assaulted well the game is going to well for me anyway.

they just need to be used in conjunction with another unit..lik i said a thunder fire is really good with them
 
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