[fatmantis]

hi guys i had a bonus from my job and thought id finally do an army ive always wanted to do.
a full AM tank Desert Fox themed army.

ive never played with AM so im not really sure how to go about building this list..it only has a few requirements..its using either
the steel host
1 tank commander
3 lemon russ squadrons
1 hydra

i would also like to use a bane blade of some sort..id really like some advice on how to achieve this from a 500 point list up to 2k..not botherd on low troops like 2 chimera with veterans i think is enough..well please let me know your thoughts thanks guys

 

[neferhet]

Well, i think you already have your list in your request

1 Tank commander in a Punisher Tank, Squadroned with another Punisher, all Punishers with Heavy Bolters Sponsons (to dakka the shit out of the enemy)

1 Enginseer
1 Servitor
2 Servitor w/plasma cannon (lurking behind the armured hulls, tank rigger and plasma dealer)

2 Chimera (Multilaser + H.Flamer turret) with " units of veterans, autocannon & dual meltagun. (plink away with the cannon & the chimera weapons and when enemy threats are near, start the angine and hunt them with dual melta + heavy flamer)

3 Leman russ (boom boom)

2 Hydra Tanks (antiair if you need it)

2 Wyvern (you need it and you know it)

-This is 1500 on the spot-

Adding a Super Heavy...just add any one that costs 500 pts or less. Can't remember now, which one does.

At 500 pts, i'd go

Tank Commander in Plasma Tank squadroned with another plasma tank (340)
2 Veteran units with autocannon and 2 flamers (160)
2 Armoured Sentinels w/ 2 lascannons OR 10 Ratlings

 

[fatmantis]

thanks..only 5 leman russ? hmmm i was hoping to get more than that i suppose i need to look at the baneblades and find one that works well and the point then build around that?

 

[fatmantis]

alos which are the best LR to take..the punisher is good i can see what about the other varients?

 

[neferhet]

Man, the average leman russ costs 150 pts. At 1500 pts, if you bring 5, you have 50% of the list spent on Leman Russ! How many do you want??

If you really want to make an "armoured company" go Unbound and the hell with the FoC. That would be perfectly acceptable.

About the russes variants: i often use 2standard Leman russes and a Demolisher russ.
Punisher is GREAT at swatting off the board anything thats not a tank, but needs the BS upgrade and the orders a tank commander brings in.

The standard russ is a workhorse: you take one or two and you can be assured that they will always have a targed, but will not be able to kill just everything.

The demolisher russ is a killer, but needs to attack a softened up enemy or be covered and supported by other units. Advance him alongside a 30 guard blob with flamers or granade launchers and laugh maniacally.

Then, Executioner...meh. The risk of killing yourself with getsa hot is ridiculous. But can be good Vs terminator armies or the like.

Vanquisher is a no-no, for me. A single shot? At Bs 3? At that price? No thanks. You really need a tank dead, bring in a deepstiking melta stormtrooper team.

Exterminator... seriously? 2 twin linked autocannons? Basically the mongo cousin of the Russ Family. Never used it, never seen used, never needed it. If you REALLY want that much autocannons, the Heavy Weapons squads do it better, imo (at least they wont die from a single melta gun..)

Eradicator..a tough one to judge. I can see it as a nice complement for the demolisher. It ignores cover and has a decent range. Against the like of Dark Eldars and sneaky tyranids or even against a cover huggin shooty fireline, it can worth gold. Good thing is, it costs 120 pts. 120...thats ridicolous! :biggrin:

So, let's hear this, if you want tanks and thanks and thanks...

2 Punisher tanks w/ Heavy bolter sponsons, one has Tank Commander (350)

2 Ministrorum priests (50)

10 Veterans, carapace armour, 3 plasmaguns (120)
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Penal Platoon:
Platoon command squad, heavy flamer (40)

30 Guardsmen
3 grenade launchers
3 meltabombs
(180)

40 Conscripts (120)
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1 Eradicator Tank, Heavy Flamer sponsons (130)
2 Demolisher tanks, hull lascannon (320)
(squadroned)

1 Leman russ Battle tank (150)

Again, 1500. The Priests join the 2 blobs, making them zealots. Veterans and platoon command squad guard your deployment zone objective and maybe advance midfield to make good use of those 3 plasmaguns.
The two blobs wraps the Punishers and the Demol+Eradicator tanks.
Punishers kill hordes or even small elite squads, while the Demolisher / Eradicator team crush EVERYTHING. The Leman russ add some pieplate but generally should stay near the veterans to work in tandem. 6 Leman russes. It's hard to get more tanks and have a functional list under 2000 pts.

IF you really want more thanks you could add one eradicator by removing the priests and 10 conscript, but that would leave your infantry meatshields susceptibles to fleeing the board. (and i don't want my mobile cover to run when shot at!)

To get at 2000 pts you can add the baneblade...and that would be evil!

 

[Old Man78]

Depends on what you are looking for pal, the punisher is a bucket of dice tank but the main weapon is only 24", for medium/light infantry dakka, I would go for exterminators, twin linked heavy 4 auto cannons, throw on heavy bolters and still plenty of dice but keeping people at arms lenght and less points.The vanquisher is pretty much your main anti tank, but not much else, the executioner is anti heavy infantry/light armour but pricey and the standard L.R is jack of trades depending on load out, I'm no expert but that is my two cents, it also depends on what you want your tanks to do, how you are going to play,

 

[neferhet]

An unbound list ALL TANKS ALL THE DAY, could be:

Tank Commander on Vanquisher w/lascannon sponson, Vanquisher w/ lascannon sponson (320)

Punisher, 2 Executioners w/bolter sponson ( 460)

Demolisher, 2 Eradicators (445)

2 Leman russ (300)

-1505 pts- 10 tanks.

 

[Old Man78]

@neferhet, what about ×2 medusas instead the demolishers, more delicate but less points and extra range same death pie plate? Your on the money with with unbound for maximum tankage

 

[fatmantis]

thanks alot guys..yea unbound might be the way to go..as i said its a themed list..based on montgomery's desert fox's..i know the baneblade will eat up a lot of points but they are worth it right?

i havet thought to much about how ill play it..but basically just a wall of av 14 would be tough to beat..the 2 chimera squads just for holding objectives..and to make it bound people are still abit afraid of unboud in my area.

also the formation gives preferred enemy to all tanks...how would that effect the list?

 

[neferhet]

also the formation gives preferred enemy to all tanks...how would that effect the list?

Well, you might as well take more Executioner for some plasma love, due to rerolling 1's and also more punishers, for the same reason. More shots=more rerolls=more hits!

Baneblades are great, but with no infantry coverage, they will be assaulted to pieces. If you take it, find points for 30-60 infantry men like in my previous list, to bubblewrap it.
@Oldman78 Av12 are not tanks! :biggrin: I'd just focus on them to silence their guns and also, they are FW only these days...medusa tank is gon from the codex!! i'd not mix them. also, are not hey Str 9 Ap 2? mmh... Str 10 Ap 1, AV 14 just makes its points back, especially because you can squadron it with the eradicator!

 

[fatmantis]

so im thinking of the shadow sword variant..its about 300ish points.. the take pask with 2 punishes for anit infantry..a hydra because i have to(formation) and then maybe 4 more LR depending on variants =cost i could take the vetrans and suggested and maybe a few other goddies

 

[neferhet]

Shadowsword makes you covered even on the titan killing side, good choice.

 

[fatmantis]

Shadowsword makes you covered even on the titan killing side, good choice.

so then just choosing the LR around the shadowsord should do the trick..
so something like..

hq pask punisher + punisher(PE)
tank commander (LR + LR) varients?
2 x veterans chimeras
1 Hydra(formation)
1 wyveryn?
3x LR varients?
Shadowsword

not sure on the points
how would something like that be?

 

[neferhet]

mmh...let's see...
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Commander Pask on Punisher w/heavy bolters sponsons (20 rending, preferred enemy, Str 5 , Bs 4 Shots..) + 2 Exterminator Tanks w/heavy bolters (530)

1 Hydra flak tank (70)

3 Leman russ Executioner (465)
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Tank Commander on 1 Demolisher w/lascannon hull and extra heavy stubber
2 Eradicators w/Heavy flamers
(475)

2 Veteran Units, 3 meltaguns, Chimera w/Heavy bolter and Heavyflamer turret (310)

Shadowsword (450)

-We are at 2300 pts -

 

[fatmantis]

mmh...let's see...
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Commander Pask on Punisher w/heavy bolters sponsons (20 rending, preferred enemy, Str 5 , Bs 4 Shots..) + 2 Exterminator Tanks w/heavy bolters (530)

1 Hydra flak tank (70)

3 Leman russ Executioner (465)
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Tank Commander on 1 Demolisher w/lascannon hull and extra heavy stubber
2 Eradicators w/Heavy flamers
(475)

2 Veteran Units, 3 meltaguns, Chimera w/Heavy bolter and Heavyflamer turret (310)

Shadowsword (450)

-We are at 2300 pts -

ok so we are getting there..

 

[Old Man78]

Medusas are gone, that is a shame, I dont have the current dex only the last one

 

[Mossy Toes]

If I'm taking an Executioner, I'm going to field it attached to Pask, given the reroll Gets Hot from Preferred Enemy on plasma cannons. 5/36s average chance of overheat is a lot better than 5/6s average overheat per firing 5 plasma cannons--that's maybe one per game, not 1 per turn. While Pask is in his Punisher, hitting on BS4 with Preferred Enemy to reroll 1s...

 

[fatmantis]

If I'm taking an Executioner, I'm going to field it attached to Pask, given the reroll Gets Hot from Preferred Enemy on plasma cannons. 5/36s average chance of overheat is a lot better than 5/6s average overheat per firing 5 plasma cannons--that's maybe one per game, not 1 per turn. While Pask is in his Punisher, hitting on BS4 with Preferred Enemy to reroll 1s...

well put!

 

[fatmantis]

ok so today i ordered
7 x LR exterminators
1 x hydra
2 armoured fists
1 x bane blade.

gives me a few weeks to get the list sorted out

 

[fatmantis]

looking at something like this