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Correct me if I'm wrong (which is a possibility), but as I was reading through Brothers of the Snake (http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Brothers-of-the-Snake.html) I could have sworn that Dan stated that the Iron Snakes chapter recruited solely from their chapter world: Ithaka.

Does that make sense - fluff wise? I was of the opinion that even chapters that have home-worlds venture to other planets to recruit. Are there any other 'contemporary' chapters that recruit exclusively from one world?

I'm just trying to find out if the Snakes are unusual in this regard, or if its a common occurrence among other SM chapters.
 

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No its not unusual for some chapters to only recruit from a single world; the methods a chapter goes through to get new members are for them alone to decide and this includes where to recruit from within reason. (People are probably gonna have a problem if you start recruiting traitors or people from tainted worlds or what have you.)

I do believe that the Salamanders recruit from only their homeworld of Nocturne.


Some chapters don't even have a homeworld, so the idea of recruiting from one world doesn't even cross their minds; just recruit those who fit the bill as you find them from world to world or when the company/chapter is in need of recruits.


So yes, Abnett is not way off keel by having the Iron Snakes recruit from only their homeworld, it is perfectly reasonable for this to be so with them. I don't believe its ever actually been set in stone in regards to what the norm for chapter recruitment is, just left to the discretion of the individual chapter. However chapters that recruit from more than one world tend to have the ability to recruit more possible aspirants than those who recruit from a single world.
 

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No its not unusual for some chapters to only recruit from a single world; the methods a chapter goes through to get new members are for them alone to decide and this includes where to recruit from within reason. (People are probably gonna have a problem if you start recruiting traitors or people from tainted worlds or what have you.)

I do believe that the Salamanders recruit from only their homeworld of Nocturne.


Some chapters don't even have a homeworld, so the idea of recruiting from one world doesn't even cross their minds; just recruit those who fit the bill as you find them from world to world or when the company/chapter is in need of recruits.


So yes, Abnett is not way off keel by having the Iron Snakes recruit from only their homeworld, it is perfectly reasonable for this to be so with them. I don't believe its ever actually been set in stone in regards to what the norm for chapter recruitment is, just left to the discretion of the individual chapter. However chapters that recruit from more than one world tend to have the ability to recruit more possible aspirants than those who recruit from a single world.
I knew that was the case for the Salamanders, but they are a First Founding Chapter. If memory serves, pre-rebellion, all Dark Angels were recruited from Caliban - minus the Terran-born SM's that arrived with the Emperor when he formed the chapter.

So I was wondering more about Second Founding Chapters.

However chapters that recruit from more than one world tend to have the ability to recruit more possible aspirants than those who recruit from a single world
I think that is where my major concern lay: could a Chapter remain viable by replenishing its forces solely from one planet. Given the stringent physical and mental requirements of a SM initiate, I was wondering if it was possible to keep SM levels at optimum levels from such a restricted pool of candidates.

'course, now that I think of it, there are some planets with millions of inhabitants, while others have billions. I suppose a heavily populated world could provide enough manpower to fuel a Chapter.

Was just wondering if it was conceivable or not. Thanks :so_happy:
 

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Yes it is, though keep in mind that for the most part; the worlds most chapters recruit from tend to have smaller populations (because they tend to recruit from the likes of deathworlds where only the strongest and most capable will survive.)

As far as first founding chapters and recruitment, remember that some of the first founding chapters recruit from more than one world. The Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, and Dark Angels are good examples of this; the Dark Angels admittedly less so due to the fact that Caliban was destroyed.


Off the top of my head, I believe both the Mortifactors, Marauders, and Doom Eagles recruit from their respective homeworlds only.
 

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Keep in mind that fluff-wise Space Marine force of 5 will only loose 1 marine while defeating a Hive Fleet. So in the fluff large scale death doesn't happen much :)

Most chapters have a full company of scouts which are immediate replacements. Bellow the scouts are probably hundreds of aspirants ready to join the 10th company, and plenty completing trials and challenges to earn the shot at a spot. If your recruiting from a world of billions I don't think there is any shortage of aspirants.
 

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Don't the Ultra Marines recruit from a number of worlds under their control? Blood Ravens also recruit from several worlds. Soul Drinkers recruited from multiple hive planets before their all from grace, and now recruit from many places. This seems to be the most common method.

But there are many Chapters that recruit from only a single place, like the Mortifactors.
 

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Don't the Fists recruit from many worlds? And also lots of different social types?
As I've said in another thread, Deathworlds/Feralworlds/Hive Gangers make such good recruits because of how mentally tough their upbringing makes them. Violence is second nature, as is the will to use it as the primary, and possibly only, means of solving a problem. Not only that, but such a hardened psyche would allow these recruits to push through pain and odds that would have a 'normal' person weeping on the floor.
Physical strength, loyalty to the Imperium and multiple weapons-skills can all be dealt with through Geneseed, hypno/psych-doctrination, and the incredibly close bonds that will form between prospective Battlebrothers.

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It is possible for some chapters to recruit from a single world only. For example worlds with extreme living conditions like Nocturne or Fenris probably produce folk who live very hard lives and as such would make perfect aspirants. However these worlds are rare so most chapters indeed have to recruit from several worlds to make up their numbers as these planets do not produce as many potential aspirants that are needed.
 

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what about the space wolves? i havent read anything other than thier codex and ive forgotten most of it but they seem like the type dont they?
 

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And don't forget about the Black Templars. They pick up recruits from worlds they crusaded across.
Don't the Fists recruit from many worlds? And also lots of different social types?
As I've said in another thread, Deathworlds/Feralworlds/Hive Gangers make such good recruits because of how mentally tough their upbringing makes them. Violence is second nature, as is the will to use it as the primary, and possibly only, means of solving a problem. Not only that, but such a hardened psyche would allow these recruits to push through pain and odds that would have a 'normal' person weeping on the floor.
Physical strength, loyalty to the Imperium and multiple weapons-skills can all be dealt with through Geneseed, hypno/psych-doctrination, and the incredibly close bonds that will form between prospective Battlebrothers.

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Both Black Templars and Imperial Fists recruit from pre-selected worlds (i.e. they don't recruit aspirants from just any world they come across, usually).
It is possible for some chapters to recruit from a single world only. For example worlds with extreme living conditions like Nocturne or Fenris probably produce folk who live very hard lives and as such would make perfect aspirants. However these worlds are rare so most chapters indeed have to recruit from several worlds to make up their numbers as these planets do not produce as many potential aspirants that are needed.
what about the space wolves? i havent read anything other than thier codex and ive forgotten most of it but they seem like the type dont they?
Out of the First Founding all but the IF, UM, and DA recruit from a single world.
 

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Both Black Templars and Imperial Fists recruit from pre-selected worlds (i.e. they don't recruit aspirants from just any world they come across, usually).

"On each captured or reclaimed world, the Black Templars establish Chapter keeps, grim fortresses that serve as potent reminders that the Emperor is ever watchful. However, the main purpose of the Chapter keeps is to recruit new Space Marines from the population..."
 

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I also think that there mightn't be to many with such clear-cut selection policies- by that I mean that if a group of Astartes come across some possible recruits whilst on campaign, and are utterly bowled-over with them, then they probably will take them on. As long as they are physically and spiritually pure (or pure enough) then they can become Novices.
That said, there are always going to be those (Red Scorpions, anyone?) who just won't care. And will kill everyone. Even you. Even m
 

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"On each captured or reclaimed world, the Black Templars establish Chapter keeps, grim fortresses that serve as potent reminders that the Emperor is ever watchful. However, the main purpose of the Chapter keeps is to recruit new Space Marines from the population..."
"No offense but your quote means nothing without citation as anyone short of a monkey can put quotations around words...actually a monkey could do it as well" -Mr. Waffles

Not my quote but I love using my friends to get points across xD
 

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"No offense but your quote means nothing without citation as anyone short of a monkey can put quotations around words...actually a monkey could do it as well" -Mr. Waffles

Not my quote but I love using my friends to get points across xD
Okay. Feel free to look on page 8, fourth paragraph, fourth sentence of the Black Templar codex.

And thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the thread.
 

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Okay. Feel free to look on page 8, fourth paragraph, fourth sentence of the Black Templar codex.

And thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the thread.
chill dude all I'm saying is that a quote without citation is completely useless so that post was getting this thread nowhere as well now that you gave citation it is. I was asking for citation and then because of that you added citation I did help in adding to the thread.

I think that Sons of Russ (is that the name of the chapter?) recruit from multiple worlds don't they?
 

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There is no chapter named the sons of russ. There is, however, a chapter called the space wolves which are refered to as the sons of russ.
 

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There is no chapter named the sons of russ. There is, however, a chapter called the space wolves which are refered to as the sons of russ.
But I thought the space wolves legion broke down to two chapters?
 

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They had one offshoot, the wolf brothers, but they were destroyed or lost do to mutation I believe.
 
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