[Lux]

So today I was listening to the Butcher's Nails Audio, and I must say I noticed several interesting details. The first was that during the battle with the Eldar flag ship Lorgar makes several interesting comments, in particular that the throne room of the Eldar flagship looked just like Curze's bed chamber. The second is that Lorgar has actually been on the flag ship of the Nightlords, and within Curze's bed chamber. Lorgar asked Angron if he had ever been on the flagship, to which Angron replied that he had never been.

The third as well as the perhaps most interesting detail during this fight was that Lorgar was erecting telekenitic shields around him, Angron that were blocking all shuriken cannon fire from touching them. Additionally Lorgar was producing streams of psychic fire from his hands, of which he used to incinerate the Eldar bridge forces.

Overall this audio has been am amazing experience, and the sound effects have been top notch. Was it just me or did the the descriptions of the Eldar flagship throne room scream "Dark Eldar" more than "Eldar"? I only say this because Lorgar describes the Eldarflag ship as being filled with mutilated corpses, bodies impaled upon spikes, and severed limbs hanging from the ceiling.

 

[Vaz]

There is little concept of Craftworld eldar and dark eldar in 30k. It is used for both.

 

[Moriouce]

For the Imperium the Eldar is just Eldar, they care little for different cultures within a race. And at that time most craftworld eldars didn't know that the Dark Kin had survived the fall within the webway. But I think you are right, this sounds like an early record of Dark Eldar activity.

 

[Lux]

This brings up another point in that the Dark Eldar were actively trying to eliminate Angron, and is further reinforced by the Eldar commander when he said to Lorgar "The broken monkeigh prince must be eliminated before he becomes the blood god's son, the one who houses the pain engine must be killed".

Does anyone else find this odd in that the Dark Eldar had forseen what Angron would become, and were actively trying to keep him from becoming the blood god's son?

 

[Moriouce]

Must not be that odd realy. Remember that this ain't Dark Eldar in the 40k way. Just the culture that will evolve into the DE. At this point they may not fully have discarded their psychic abilities. It may even be a corsair ship that they are on with Eldar from all cultures. And even the DE of 40k can sense the essens of the Dark Gods so it may not be more than that. They felt Khorne's hold on him and realises what they had to do and what would come to pass if they did not.

 

[Lux]

I also found it interesting that the Dark Eldar/Eldar pirates (who ever they were) knew full well of the device in Angron's skull, and called it the "pain engine that leads to the blood god". Which means that Angron from birth was called to become the Blood God's son, and unlike most of the other primarchs never had a chance to resist or say no to Angron. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Angron took more precaution in ensuring that Angron would become his son, and did not leave Angron with as much choice.

Contrastingly Fulgrim could have full well not picked up the sword, or bombarded the temple instead of going in personally.

 

[Vaz]

Might want to replace Angron in your sentences with the people you actually mean. Because you are making even less sense than normal.

In regards Fulgrim - that could never have been an option for him. The Chaos gods deemed it so, and so it happened.

It is not 40 k, but pertains to Chaos, in Everchosen, Archaon was a fallen templar of Sigmar - while this doesn't make him unique, there was a page which mentioned his actual name, and that of all of the fallen templars, only one would seek out his actual identity. There are so many 'whatifs' that if it was any other setting than warhammer, or 40k it wouldn't come along as 'sheer plot' but in this istance, it is what defines the chaos gods. where there is a chance, there is only going to be one possible result, and where there is no chance there is a random result. It is the perversity of chaos.

 

[Lux]

What I meant was that Fulgrim had the choice, and potential to just not go into the temple. Angron on the other hand never had the choice to not have the nails forcefully implanted into his head, and thus had less potential outcomes than any other primarch.

 

[Vaz]

There was no chance there. The chaos gods would not leave something so variable to chance.

It might have looked like a choice, but there was none whatsoever.

It fits Slaanesh to be more insidious while Khornes is more up front.

 

[Brother Lucian]

Regarding the Dark Eldar in 30k. If you remember Angel Exterminatus, they both have an eldar guide that is trying to play the two forces off against each other so that they can purloin the cache of waystones. But fulgrim throws a major wrench in that plan, the eldar complaining they have nothing to bring back to Commoragh now.

 

[Malus Darkblade]

If you remember Angel Exterminatus

No one wants to.