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K here's the most basic Fluff stuff and i'll keep adding stuff on as i develop and refine it.

Blood Spears
Primogenitor: Sanguinius
Chapter Master: Dienekes
Homeworld: Therapaeloy
Fortress Monestary: Asphodae
Prefered Tactics: Close Assault, Ambush
Color Scheme:

  • Main Blood Red
    Trim Burnished Gold includes left knee cap, helm crest, chest markings and backpack emblems
Heraldic Colors

  • Tactical: Red helm
    Assault: Mustard Yellow helm
    Devestator: Regal Blue helm
    Veteran: Gold helm with helm crest that match squad colors above^
    with crestScout: Black jumpsuit beneath armor, red, green, and black cloaks
    Death Company: Solid like purple armor with gold helm crest and saltires

The Blood Spears Are a second founding chapter who for a small amount of time we're a Space based chapter similar to the Black Templar and Blood Ravens Untill roughly 650 Years after their founding a Freak Warp storm Battered their fleet destroying fully half the chapter outright and heavily damaging all of their resources and mobility. The Chapter master at the time Azeleiyon decided that to protect and rebuild the chapter they would attempt to find a suitable planet and make it their own. The remainder of the fleet 2 BattleBarges and 3 Strike Cruisers began searching for their new home Which they found in the form of a small planet in synchronous orbit around its sun, thus providing permanent day at a temperature of roughly 69 Degree's while the opposite side is a mottled mix of Forests of thermoreactive plants and Barren Ice Fields They Immediately Christened the Planet Therapaeloy.
Thus began the slow rebuilding and fortifying process the chapter selected an enormous mountain Near in hight to the famed Fang of Fenris ,but not quite matching it, as their fortress monestary and immediately began the tedious process of sculpting quarters, tactical rooms and other required operating quarters into the mountain. The slowly forming fortress was Dubbed Asphodae. The mountain fortress while not the towering pinnicale that the fang is has the unique trait that it is perfectly round and straight starting at the base exactly 71.869 KM in Diameter to a hight of roughly 37 KM it is entirely unblemished natural occuring Adamantium polished to a mirror sheen by the desert winds. Once their Monestary was complete its Spearlike vissage a testiment to human perservearence the began their recruiting their first native initiates.
The Blood Spears had a enormous impact on the native populous. When the Space marines arrived the humans already on the planet had long since been forgotten by the rest of the galaxie their culture falling back into a feral tribe existance but the Space Marines (remembered as Warriors of the Gods in local myths) who arrived in each of the thermoreacive rainforests that we're safe...ish havens from the largers predators that stalked both the desert and the Ice wastes. Slowly with repeated visits the tribes in each of the patches of forest solidified into City-States nestled into each of these forests. Every 100 years or so the messengers return and conduct trials at each of the city states but that is not enough for some people. For those the Blood Spears Set up Verisas, The Gateway City, with series of way stations 3 weeks apart along the desert. Those who survive martching through the perpetual day for 3 weeks at a time from the nearest spot on the terminator line to the base of Asphodae are evaluated for a molecular match if they can possibly survive the implantation process they are immediately inducted into the ranks of initiates if not they are given a place of honor high amongst the Chapter Serfs.
Since the creation of their fortress They have fought hard to preserve the Emporer's realm and above all to protect humanity. Through a long line of chapter masters and hero's the Blood Spears have defended humanity all over the galaxy from any threat from the Treacherous Eldar to the brutish orcs and the Sadistic forces of Chaos, and the will continue to do so for as long as there is a single marine left alive.
 

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Not bad but no mountain is anywhere close the height of the fang..... it pierces the atmosphere and is so tall that ships can actually dock with it.
 

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Uh, mind finding or quoting some source to back that up Ahab? (Where the Fang is the only mountain so large it breaches the atmosphere, and is the only mountain in all the galaxy to do so.) The Fang is merely a single mountain on a single world that is so great that it breaches the atmosphere. In all the worlds of the galaxy, it is not impossible to have other worlds with such things. The Fang is one of the greatest fortresses though, in that it is unique over any and all others like it.


The galaxy is huge, you can have worlds with atmosphere of sulfur and lakes of lava, worlds covered only in ocean, a planet who's only habitable parts are the tallest mountains while the rest of the world is covered in poison, planets that are all desert, all mountain, berated by gale force winds at almost all times, frozen balls of ice, and much much more. A single mountain being very tall is entirely possible, its a big galaxy.
 

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It is the single largest mountain in the imperium. I really don't have a single source for it though, years of reading up shit you tend to forget where it came from. The wolf codex does say that it is the single largest mountain in the galaxy. I never said it was impossible, it may have been unwise to say none were anywhere close but I believe the only one that is close is on mars, Olympus Mons. In one of the wolf books, first omnibus I believe, Ragnar brings an inquisitor and his second to the top of the fang and they are treated to a view of the planet from the top and it is high atmo.
 

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Nice start Tuck3r, gonna be adding anything else to it in the future?
 

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@ Dark,
Ah here we go. If you own the wolf codex it says it on pages 12 and 13.
 

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to clearsomethin up the Fang pierces the lower fringes of the troposphere. that is roughly 35% taller than Olympus Mons which is taller than Asphodae i think.. not sure on exact measurements on OM, what makes Asphodae special is that it is one of the very few places whith naturally occuring adamantium and that it all that is left near the bottom is that Kilometers high and is perfectly round and symetrical. and yes there will be more i should have the entries for the Chapter master and some of the fluff on some missions up tonight ish sometime
 

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No, it is at least mid level. Low atmo would be like the troposphere. Probably is actually mid atmo, maybe the mesosphere from what is described in the codex and the account given in the first omnibus. Where did you find this info? I require a reference. OM is 27KM at the peak. Although the atmosphere of Fenris may be either more or less dense than that of earths. But in any case I like the whole adamantium concept, very nice.
 

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Sorry I don't have a reference for you. anyways here's the stats and fluff for the Chapter master also i need a point cost

/*edit/ K i changed a couple things after lookin at Calgar's entry and kinda tried to nerf him a bit to bring his cost down but not to much as calgar has the eternal warrior and is pretty overwhelmin i wanted this guy to be just as awesome so... also keep in mind akzeloths deathmask doesn't effect independant characters And the squad they've joined but one or the other. i highlighted any changes in red /*edit/

Dienekes
Point Cost: 275

WS: 6
BS:5
S:4
T:4
W:4
I:6
A:3
Ld:10
Sv:2+

WarGear: Artificer Armor, Jump Pack, Infurnus Pistol, Frag and Krak grenades,

Akzeloth's Deathmask: This Death mask Lovingly crafted by Akzeloth shortly after the death of Sanguinius is made in the shape of a face twisted and forever scarred with both rage and sorrow. In addition to the 4+ invunerable save confired by the death mask it also allows you to curse enemy one unit or individual character giving them the Rage special rule; Another unit or independant character is stricken with the incomprehensible sorrow Akzeloth experienced at the death of his lord and must roll a D6 before each round and achieve a 3+ to stave the paralyzing sorrow if they fail they can move only 3 inches and cannot do anything else.

Sunspear: This weapon was Forged for the Blood Spears by Vulkan shortly after their creation and has served the ChapterMaster well ever since its entrusting. A 2 meter length of adamantium which is crested by an angelic figure as a hand guard, its Spearpoint is a pair of outward facing 20 Inch Chainblades. This Master crafted Spear has the rending special rule.

Special Rules. Decent of angels, Red Thirst, Independant Character, Fleet,
Chapter Tactics: While Dienekes is on the field assault squads who forgo jump packs may choose not to select a dedicated transport and instead gain the Infiltrate and fleet special rule.


Dienekes was one of the few not only one of the few humans capable of survivng the proces that would make him a space marine but he also has been since early childhood an extremely wise fair and strong leader. As a young adult he mastered the spear which is reguarded as the hero's weapon. However it seemed that his Dream of becoming one of the God's warriors was not possible for him as they had visited the cities only 20 years prior. He Decided that he would use his considerable people skills to assemble a group of those who would have been long grey or dead in the hostile wilderness of the planet. So it was that Dienekes and a small group of other hopefulls set out for the long trek to Asphodae. Never before had the attempt been made by such a large group as those who we're following Dienekes but under his stern but fair leadership the expedition not only fended off the Dangerous beasts that plauge the desert but every one of the original group made it to the base of Asphodae. never before or in the 200 years since his induction into the chapter has a similar feat been accomplished.
Dieneks rose quickly through the ranks of the chapter exibiting Tactical Accumen that was obvious to those above him he had not only become a sergent but had actually risen to command of the 4th company even before earning his first service stud a feat that was noticed by Chapter master Valenae so when the Chapter master was killed at the hands of a Avatar of Khaine it was obvious who the late chapter master would've wanted to succede him. Dienekes leaned heavily on his Master Librarian in his first two decades but just as with every chalange before happened he quickly rose to the challenge and so was among the youngest of the chapter masters to attend the Conclave on baal hewever no one questioned his prowess because of the large repetuior of action under his belt.
 

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350-375 should be around right.
 

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Dileas the Indomitable

Dileas has served as the Chapter's Master Librarian for nearly 500 years. proving again and again how well earned his nickname is. It seems that when an enemy has managed to surprise the Blood Spears or call upon overwhelming numbers his stalwart Stand has inspired time and again the other Blood angels to recommit themselves and everytime they have emerged Victorious when the dust settles.
One of the most famous examples of this was on the Ork embattled world of Attimus. When an Enormous Ork fleet was detected heading towards the Home planet of the Regal Scars. The Chapter had been a powerful and long reaching servant of the emporer in recently past centuries but after loosing 4 companies at Hive Tempestus during the 3rd war on Armaggedon and loosing most of another 3 supporting the imperial guard in an opperation against the Tyranids they had been reduced to a mere 437 Marines. and we're in no position to repel an invasion of such magnituted. the Blood angels Responded with gusto sending the entirety of the 4th and 6th battle companies along with elements from the 1st 5th 7th 8th 9th and 10th companies under the Command of Dienekes who had been at the time in command of the 4th company the leading element of the force. During the invasion the 6th company and a large portion of the rest of the Force we're embattled at the fortress monestary leaving only the 1st 7th and 8th Company elements under command of Dileas to defend the spaceport city near the norther pole. When the orks managed to get past the walls of the city Dileas donned his terminator armor and lead 2 squads of other terminators in a stand at the center of the city. drawn inexorable by the promise of a good fight the orks ran straight for them ignoring all else allowing the other companies to set up on the surrounding buildings to shoot down into the ork throng with their ranged weapons. Inspired by Dileas' example the other veterans in the Holy Terminator armor continued to fight boldly for almost 37 hours before the Warboss who was in charge of the assault appeared before them only to be destroyed by Dileas' mental artillery without even the chance to strike a blow. After this humiliation and powerful example of Blood Spear prowess the remaining Orks we're simple to mop up.

Point Cost: 225

WS:6
BS:5
S:4
T:4
W:3
I:5
A:4
LD:10

Wargear: Artificer Armor, Master Crafted Force Staff, Angelus Boltgun

Terminator Armor +50 pts
with Terminator he gets
Sun Shield: This Beautifly constructed Storm Shield inspires those around Dileas to fight even harder and its power field seems to increase in the power field of other items around, Dileas and others around him can reroll one invunerable save.
Dileas can use 3 Psychic powers per turn and knows all of the powers listed in the Blood Angels codex.
 

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Roughly 212 Years ago during the reign of Chapter Master Valenae a transmission was intercepted accidentally by one of the chapters lower level serfs stationed on the Radio frequency communication. The transmission while it appeared to be babble was reported to the higher ups who discovered something intersting. While the transmission was created in the radio frequency which would've taken centruies to reach Asphodae under normal circumstances it had taken only 3 days to reach them.
His keen danger sense alerting Valenae that something was wrong he put the entire chapter on alert and roused the full fury of the Blood Spears readying them to fight on their home soil. The fortunate accidental radio transmission which caused this was the only warning of an eldar raid on the planet.
Only four days after the chapter was ordered to begin patroling the planet the eldar appeared en-masse in the skies above the planet driving the battle barges and other support craft in orbit away and wiping aside the orbital defences. As soon as this began Valenea recalled all space marines to the fortress. As this was happening he was approched alone in his study by the Eldar Farseer. Treacherous as ever the eldar claimed that the artifact spear carried by the chapters Reclusiarch was theirs stolen from them by orcs when their craftworld was attacked and demanded is return. When Valenae refused the Farseer turned to threatening Valenae who laughed at the insults the cur threw at him. The eldar finally accepting that it was not going to get anything from Valenae teleported again back to his ship and began preping his armies.
Valenae recognizing the markings of the farseer now knew exactly which of the so called Eldar "Aspects" would be fighting and prepared accordingly. To counter the Swooping Hawks aspect the 8th assalt company was assigned to defend the Vindicators and Whirlwinds that would be used to pummel the general infantry and Dire Avengers. Using the 9th Devestator company to counter the Dark Reapers he believed that the battle was well in hand.

Shortly before the battle began however three combat squads from the 4th combat company went missing without any report of contact. Dispatching Scouts from their positions near the firebase to find out what he had missed Valenae cursed the trecherous eldar. As ordered all of the available scout squads began moving quietly towards the eldar positions to discover that the Farseer was apperating from a jet bike alongside several squads of the Shining Spears aspect. Valenae managed to get the 4th company onto Bikes quickly enought to counter this new threat while the scouts who discovered this and particularly the Scout Dienekes who had managed to kill one of the exarchs with his sniper rifle was inducted into the ranks of the 4th company.
 

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The transmission while it appeared to be babble was reported to the higher ups who discovered something intersting.
Why? If it was babble and nothing of importance than why would a serf bother anyone with it? What possessed this serf to report this random transmission when it appeared to be nothing?

His keen danger sense alerting Valenae that something was wrong he put the entire chapter on alert and roused the full fury of the Blood Spears readying them to fight on their home soil.
So the chapter master is informed of a transmission of babble and he immediately assumes something bad is about to happen; not only that but something is about to attack the chapter homeworld? What of the chapter librarians or companies? Has he consulted them and discovered anything else to indicate such a thing?

The fortunate accidental radio transmission which caused this was the only warning of an eldar raid on the planet.
Eldar using radio transmissions? Why would a highly advanced race of psykers, who use psychic ability for damned near every aspect of their lives, resort to using something as crude as radio transmissions?

Only four days after the chapter was ordered to begin patroling the planet the eldar appeared en-masse in the skies above the planet driving the battle barges and other support craft in orbit away and wiping aside the orbital defences.
How did they just appear so close to the chapters homeworld without them knowing it? You don't just appear in the homeworld system of a space marine chapter without them knowing about it mere moments before they are on top of you. Theres an entire marines fleet on alert after all.

As this was happening he was approched alone in his study by the Eldar Farseer.
How did the farseer penetrate so far into a chapter fortress? And how did he/she know where to be in order to find the chapter master?

A fortress monestary is a heavily defended structure complete with void shields, a thing that prevents incoming fire from weapon batteries and teleportation. (Ships have to lower shields or a section of them to make teleportation possible.)

Valenae recognizing the markings of the farseer now knew exactly which of the so called Eldar "Aspects" would be fighting and prepared accordingly.
How did he recognize which aspect warriors would be present? Is this guy well trained in being able to understand eldar glyphs and symbols? And for what reason would a farseer have symbols of aspect warriors with him/her anyway?

To counter the Swooping Hawks aspect the 8th assalt company was assigned to defend the Vindicators and Whirlwinds that would be used to pummel the general infantry and Dire Avengers.
This is assuming the Eldar will be fighting to a battle plan that these marines are good at dealing with?

If the Eldar are the ones attacking a chapter homeworld, why would they be mounting anything but a highly elite surgical strike with mechanized elements protecting much of their forces? And why would swooping hawks, warriors who combat infantry and other warriors, not armour, be the ones gong after armour?

Using the 9th Devestator company to counter the Dark Reapers he believed that the battle was well in hand.
This is once again assuming the Eldar will be doing something like a straight up charge at the chapter with heavier elements providing cover to some degree. However again Eldar do not fight this way, I mean why would a dieing race not use grace and intelligence to attack their enemy and keep their own losses low over brute force and high risk of losses?

As ordered all of the available scout squads began moving quietly towards the eldar positions to discover that the Farseer was apperating from a jet bike alongside several squads of the Shining Spears aspect.
Why would the chapter master send even more scouts after learning this? And if he didn't learn this from the first group of scouts what possessed him to send more scouts from fighting to look for the other squads? If he had learned this from the first squads then why would fourth company or another company not be sent?

Valenae managed to get the 4th company onto Bikes quickly enought to counter this new threat while the scouts who discovered this and particularly the Scout Dienekes who had managed to kill one of the exarchs with his sniper rifle was inducted into the ranks of the 4th company.
Kinda seems tossed in there; we go through this whole thing and then this random scout is tossed in to be recognized as somewhat important? Perhaps he would be better served fleshed out later rather than get a line or two here.


Sorry to be seemingly ripping through your work, some things just don't make to much sense and working through that can only help your stuff to be that much better in the end.
 

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is creating your own chapter legal? i mean, can it be used in official tournaments?
 

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In the end, making your own chapter is simply a colour scheme and your own fluff. You would not be able to use any characters you came up with in tournies, but there is nothing stopping you from playing your chapter. And when using your own chapter, for games its also possible to use existing characters while changing names, like a counts as Kantor in a not Crimson Fists codex marine force.
 

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grrr... I liked your fluff, and darkreever bangs EVERYBODIES fluff! it's like the why cats land on their feet, we don't know why it happens, but it always does!
 

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just remembered, red font is only for admins, so you might want to change that!:eek:k::so_happy::biggrin:
 

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K so a Radio Frequency transmission from a planet a few hundred lightyears away arriving 3 days after the time stamp is not weird? particularly since radio transmissions take several minutes to reach THE MOON HERE...

Librarians can detect things coming out of the warb because of the disturbance but i haven't ever found one in any other fluff that could detect someone exiting the eldar webway. hense the only warning of an impending invasion was the transmission that was dropped into the webway along the path of the same fleet travling to the planet

Its not an eldar transmission that. the transmission was random babble not an eldar dialect that could be identified its not theirs its coming out of their webway.


next point again the imperium has never so far as i have found been able to detect someone dropping out of the eldar webway. they even have trouble detecting Warp exits in the shadow of other planets in the system or as the eldar used here behind the planets moon in fact in other chapter's fluff they have exploited this blind spot to ambush others using imperium equivelent tech

Countering the Swooping Hawks in this way is something that i and several other Blood Angels player do because of their ability in the rules which i am also factoring into my fluff because they should not be exclusive as some people have

yes it prevents teleportation but the eldar farseer arrived in spite of this fact. meaning that he probably used something similar to the space marine psychic teleportation i figured someone as fluff versed as you would figure out that someone powerfull enough to reach Farseer and cunning enough to sneak up on a chapter homeworld would manage to circumvent something as simple as void shields.

Not some guy. a CHapter Master which means he has probably faced eldar before and recognizing something as unique as a Farseer's armor and remembering which elite warriors we're present last time he saw that should be fairly simple for someone with a SM's edict memory

Countering the Swooping hawks ability to drop onto the field haywire bomb a tank that i'm using to help create a firebase and the jump back into reserve bbefore they can be counter attacked comes straight out of strategies i use agaist the eldar players at my shop i figure that unlike what some ppl have argued before that the fluff and the rules should not be mutually exclusive and i've seen your arguments to the same effect so unless i've got you confused with someone else i know you agree with me

When space marines disappear without even sounding an alarm and especially when someone as treacherous as teh eldar are the opponent it pays to know what did that. and they were't scouts that disappeared they were combat squads from a battle company. they have internal vox transmissions and everything but they didn't even report contact... that deserves to be looked into. particularly by someone with long range weapons who could spot an enemy before being engaged on the dunes of the desert

Last point not a random scout he is the current chapter master... 200 years after this attack he is the current chapter master.... if my memory serves logan was a marine for 450 years before becoming great wolf. Dante was a full marine for almost 300 before he became chapter master. but this "random Scout" rose from a simple human to chapter master in 250 or so. i think since it was his detection of the shining spears and that he will soon be chapter master he deserved to be recognized a little.
 

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!!!!! I just found out that the next tourney at my shop is gonna have a couple add ons. the typical best paintjob/conversion award. but they also are having a best homebrew character contest. i have to have a model for my characters following wysiwyg rules and if i get one o the top 3 i get to use it in the tourney!!!!!! Kick Ass
 
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