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Wouldn't have thought so. Unless they allow an Assault from Deep Strike or Run+Assault, then they're still going to risk being kited. Plus, with 2+ Saves being in the meta quite a lot, and still being capable against Vehicles (S10 AP2 is decent because every man and his dog is bringing Land Raiders).

Blendernaughts getting around 8 potential attacks is alright, but it's still assault.



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Unless they allow an Assault from Deep Strike or Run+Assault, then they're still going to risk being kited.
Ever used this fancy thing called a Stormraven? It carried a Dreadnought and has the Assault Vehicle rule, works great for getting Furiosos into combat. Then there's Dreadnought Drop Pods from FW, which allow for an assault out of Deep Strike.

Ultimately any CC-oriented unit is going to have a tough time in this edition, but Talons not being S6 AP3 any more makes a huge difference in their worth as a piece of wargear. I'm not banking on it happening until I hold the new 'dex in hand, but it'd be a nice buff to a weapon that currently isn't very versatile.
 

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Ever used this fancy thing called a Stormraven? It carried a Dreadnought and has the Assault Vehicle rule, works great for getting Furiosos into combat. Then there's Dreadnought Drop Pods from FW, which allow for an assault out of Deep Strike.
You reading the same rules I am for the FW Drop Pod assault? Which categorically states that you cannot assault from Deep Strike still, and might want to check out "Moving on from Reserve" in the BRB, and Skies of Fury explicitly prevents assaulting thanks to Skies of Fury. It works like jackshit for getting Furioso's into combat, considering that you can't assault until Turn 3.

If they can't make it to combat any quicker than they can already, they're still gash. All that happens now is that they now have a more varied set of targets that they can theoretically assault. At least Lucius Dreadnought Drop pods, allow Turn 2 assaults, and have Shrouding, and apply it to the Dreadnought, that's a 50pt model tax...



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Forgive me if I got the Drop Pod part wrong, are these the current rules for "Dreadnought Drop Pod (Lucius Pattern)"? If it is,

Assault Vehicle: A Dreadnought disembarking a Lucius Pattern
Dreadnought Drop Pod can launch an assault the turn it does so.
(Note this differs from the rules for normal drop pods).
this explicitly states that I'm right. If I'm wrong so be it, ain't the first time and it won't be the last. It's not a unit I use, just that (I thought) I was aware of. As for the Stormraven you can pull the claws back a little bit, I never said anything about using Skies of Fury to pull some bullshit rules manipulation. Fly on T2 (soonest, anyway), Hover and Assault T3. They may not be able to make it into combat any quicker, but you said it yourself:

All that happens now is that they now have a more varied set of targets that they can theoretically assault.
How is that a bad thing? It ain't quicker, but those claws can Instant Death up to T5 now, its a viable weapon against tanks, if it keeps the ability to generate extra wounds it can level squads of infantry....these are all positive things.
 

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Good find @Einherjar667, that model is fucking gorgeous....and exactly why I almost hoped there wouldn't be a new Priest model. My scratch built one is gunna be pretty shoddy lookin' next to that beaut! :laugh:

The more I look at it though the more I want it to be a new Corbulo model. The chalice is almost identical, looks like artificer armour, and he did have a special chainsword that could have looked WAY cooler than the original one. It kinda looks like a weird mash-up of Tycho, Corbulo, and Mephiston('s robes). In the blurb for picture 1 (the chalice itself) it states that the blood chalice is the badge of office for priests in general, so maybe this is just how fancy BA are gunna be now. Each new picture for this release that I see makes me sad that I have so many vanilla marine models painted red now.
 

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nice find, but static model, resembling the oldies of 1994.
 

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Forgive me if I got the Drop Pod part wrong, are these the current rules for "Dreadnought Drop Pod (Lucius Pattern)"? If it is,
Nope. That's from the 4th (5th?) Edition update for Imperial Armour Volume 2 - not the 2nd edition (i.e 2nd edition print, updated for 6th (or is it 7th?) edition game), the original 3rd edition release one. The Lucius Dreadnought I'm reading from was IA Vol2 2nd Edition, the most current, unless there's a new PDF update - which almost certainly will not affect it.

As for the Stormraven you can pull the claws back a little bit, I never said anything about using Skies of Fury to pull some bullshit rules manipulation. Fly on T2 (soonest, anyway), Hover and Assault T3. They may not be able to make it into combat any quicker, but you said it yourself:

How is that a bad thing? It ain't quicker, but those claws can Instant Death up to T5 now, its a viable weapon against tanks, if it keeps the ability to generate extra wounds it can level squads of infantry....these are all positive things.
Provided said Walker can hit said model. You can't catch much now in melee with it now, and unless there's some more reliable delivery method, it's still just asking to eat a melta in the face. Having a wider range of theoretical targets makes no difference. That's probably a much more competitive style of meta though.

That sword is cool as fuck on the Sang Priest though.



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Forgive me if I got the Drop Pod part wrong, are these the current rules for "Dreadnought Drop Pod (Lucius Pattern)"? If it is,
Current rules for the drop pod (from what I remember without looking at IA2:V2 right this second) don't include the "assault on turn it deep strikes" rule, but also doesn't make you disembark (or stay disembarked).

It also gives passengers shrouded.
 

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Well @Vaz, I guess I just haven't had the same problems playing my Furiosos that you have. Hitting something in CC with WS6? Not typically an issue, though dice can be bitches to be sure. Flying on (up to 36") means you can basically put the 'raven on top of what you want to charge the following turn, and not much you want to charge with a dreadnought can get further than 12-18" away in one turn which is easily reachable with a 6" move, 6" disembark, and 2-12" charge range (again, barring them bitchy dice). I fully agree that T3 at the soonest is a bit too late, but I am still very down for Sx2 AP2 Blood Talons over the current incarnation.

Comment retracted (clearly!) about the assaulting out of the Drop Pod, thanks for setting me straight on that one guys. I had once considered spending the bucks on those massive Pods just for that reason!

Sweet looking 'dex cover. Just got my DV rulebook in the mail today, can't wait to get this on the go at the GW a town over. My red army will fight again!!
 

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Eh, I meant hitting as in reaching, and with the AT running around these days, it's surprising that it makes contact, or does anything useful - Eldar and Marines are nippy as ever, nor am I a fan of leaving it at risk of Crew Stunned/Immobilised on a zooming flyer. Still different strokes for different folks, and if you can get your Dreads into CC, enjoy your even better blenders =) - at least now you can take on those GKT's - just look out for hammers!



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a slightly better version of the codex front page:
 

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Good find @Einherjar667, that model is fucking gorgeous....and exactly why I almost hoped there wouldn't be a new Priest model. My scratch built one is gunna be pretty shoddy lookin' next to that beaut! :laugh:

The more I look at it though the more I want it to be a new Corbulo model. The chalice is almost identical, looks like artificer armour, and he did have a special chainsword that could have looked WAY cooler than the original one. It kinda looks like a weird mash-up of Tycho, Corbulo, and Mephiston('s robes). In the blurb for picture 1 (the chalice itself) it states that the blood chalice is the badge of office for priests in general, so maybe this is just how fancy BA are gunna be now. Each new picture for this release that I see makes me sad that I have so many vanilla marine models painted red now.
It's just called Sanguinary priest, not a specific one.

(From here: http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.de/2014/12/nuevo-sacerdote-sanguinario-de-plastico.html)
 

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Not really into the Fabio Marines myself, but I've got to say that that cover is great. Almost makes them as manly as Furry Corp.
 
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