I just bought the BA codex and realized they don't have centurions. Why the hell not?! Do I have to get the SM Codex to use them? If so that's crap.
Assuming you mean an allied detachment, the most your getting is one squad of devestator centurions and one squad of assault centurions. You want/need a CAD for a lot of centurions.Best be would be if you need centurions ally them in through spacemarines basically idea would, be small squad of scouts, a cheap HQ and as many centurions you need.
If you use Sentinels of Terra (Imperial Fist supplement) you can run two sets of Dev Centurions, one as Elite and one as Heavy, in an Allied. That's the best you can do.Assuming you mean an allied detachment, the most your getting is one squad of devestator centurions and one squad of assault centurions. You want/need a CAD for a lot of centurions.
Can't agree more with this.If you use Sentinels of Terra (Imperial Fist supplement) you can run two sets of Dev Centurions, one as Elite and one as Heavy, in an Allied. That's the best you can do.
To @HokieHWT - It's as listed above. Every marine chapter with its own codex is different, otherwise they wouldn't need their own Codex.
Blood Angels get fast tanks, Death Company, Furiosos and (my all time favorite) Librarian Dreadnoughts.
Dark Angels get Ravenwing speeders, their own fliers, unique terminators.
Space Wolves get, well, wolves. Also character dreadnoughts, the Stormfang, and more wolves.
Vanilla Marines get Centurions, Hunters, Stalkers, and Land Speeder Storms.
No, TERMINATORS are standard issue gear, and based on the fluff, they're rare pieces that they no longer have access to craft. All Terminator armor is hand me downs.But centurions are standard issue gear, like terminator armor. It does not make sense that chapters in the first founding would not have access to every available piece of vanilla wargear. They have special units to enhance and separate themselves.
I'll look into Imperial Fist as allies.
They have the Baal Motor Pool (allied detachment of a Divination Librarian, 5 Scouts and 6 Drop Pods), and that's basically it over basic Marines.Because BA's have enough bullshit (that isn't over-priced) available to them as it is?
Was more thinking along the lines of dedicated, Fearless assault troops; Fast vehicles; a unique predator; strong characters; dedicated assault dreadnaughts; 2+ Save Jump Troops.They have the Baal Motor Pool (allied detachment of a Divination Librarian, 5 Scouts and 6 Drop Pods), and that's basically it over basic Marines.
Frankly, BA could have Centurions for all I care, it's no way near enough to drive them over the top into the realms of planet-destroying overpowered'ness.
Granted. 3+ armour with Feel No Pain isn't quite as strong a defence I'd like for the points cost, but Death Company are actually pretty good, I forgot about 'em. Personally, not as strong as Honour Guard, but certainly a good counter-assault unit.Was more thinking along the lines of dedicated, Fearless assault troops;
That cost 10/45pts more than our vehicles (Battle Company, natch - I'll take my tanks at a 50pt discount for losing Fast, thanks). Outside the BC, do you really need your Rhinos to be Fast? I've never found myself thinking 'man, I really wish these transports were Fast Vehicles'. It's helpful for Razorbacks, sure, but if you're running any appreciable amount of Razorbacks it's probably in a Battle Company, and paying for Lucifer engines makes them even pricier than they already are - 85pts for an AV11/11/10 vehicle with no kind of additional defences is an awful lot.Fast vehicles;
Which I've seen on the table precisely zero times - maybe it's just weirdly unpopular around here, but I've yet to see a compelling reason that the Baal pattern is any better than the regular Predator (or even just better by a large enough degree to get taken).a unique predator;
If you mean strong as in individually powerful, you can kit up an Iron Hands or White Scars Chapter Master to be a bigger beatstick than I think any BA characters (I don't really see any BA characters other than token Librarians and Priests, so I'm just remembering what I read about them when the new Codex dropped). If you mean in terms of army support (which is what really matters with characters), then I don't think there's any contest; Khan, Tigurius and Lias Issodon are some of the strongest characters in 40k, let alone between SM and BA.strong characters;
Which hilariously are worse in melee than regular Marine dreadnoughts. White Scars or Salamanders Ironclads shit all over the Furioso dreads - I think Furiosos should be better, but having half as many base attacks and no Chapter Tactics really kills them.dedicated assault dreadnaughts;
Yeah, but at 33pts each? You can buy Vanguard with a Power Weapon or Lightning Claw and a Jump Pack for 27pts, and while a 2+ save is certainly nothing to be sniffed at, Fleet and replacing FC with Chapter Tactics is a pretty big deal as well as being significantly cheaper. Sanguinary Guard also have no access to any kind of Invuln, which can lead them into some really bad fights very quickly, while Vanguard can at least partially mitigate that by screening some Storm Shield bearers at the front of the unit. It's getting towards an apples to oranges comparison, but between Honour Guard (25pts for a Sanguinary Guard without the Jump Pack with an extra attack, slightly worse pre-assault firepower, and again swapping Furious Charge for the more versatile Chapter Tactics).2+ Save Jump Troops.
Obliterators wish they were as good as CenturionsI don't think 400ish points for 3 Obliterator wannabes should be a concern for BA players xD
This isn't intended to beat on BA players
BA don't have them since if you did, you'd be even more obviously 'regular Marines but plain shittier'.
:laugh: Not intended/entirely intended.They have the Baal Motor Pool (allied detachment of a Divination Librarian, 5 Scouts and 6 Drop Pods), and that's basically it over basic Marines.
Yeah, BA aren't what you play to win with at Tournaments. Marines will do it better with that Skyhammer Annihilation Force fer sure.I was told by a GT champion that the best blood angels are red painted marines...