[Wax]

Two lists for a game against Tau this weekend. One at 1500 and one at 1850. C&C please.

BA 1500
HQ
-Reclusiarch (jump pack)-155

Elite
-Sanguinary Priest (power weapon, jump pack)-95
-Furioso Librarian (extra armor, wings, shield of sanguinius, magna-grapple, heavy flamer)-215

Troops
-Assault Squad (2x meltagun, PF)-235
-Tactical Squad (meltagun, missile launcher, power weapon, melta bombs)-260
--Rhino (extra armor)
-Scout Squad (sniper rifles, heavy bolter, cammo cloaks)-100

FA
-Baal Pred (Flamestorm cannon, extra armor, dozer blade)-135
-Baal Pred (heavy bolters, extra armor, storm bolter) -170

Heavy
-Predator (Lascannons)-135

Total-1500


BA 1850
HQ
-Dante-225

Elites
-Sanguinary Priest (power weapon, jump pack)-95
-Terminator Assault Squad (3x TH/SS, 2x LC)-490
--Land Raider (extra armor, multi-melta)

Troops

Troops
-Assault Squad (2x meltagun, PF)-235
-Tactical Squad (meltagun, missile launcher, power weapon, melta bombs)-260
--Rhino (extra armor)
-Scout Squad (sniper rifles, heavy bolter, cammo cloaks)-100

FA
-Baal Pred (Flamestorm cannon, extra armor, dozer blade)-135
-Baal Pred (heavy bolters, extra armor, storm bolter) -170

Heavy
-Predator (Lascannons)-135

Total-1850

 

[Wax]

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BA 1500
HQ
-Reclusiarch (jump pack)-155
(I'd replace him with a jump Librarian. Give him Fear of the Darkness and Unleash Rage)
Fair enough, except I don't have a Libby fig to use, and I want to keep my proxies to a minimum. In fact, most of my choices (especially in troops) are made because those are the figs I have avalible.
Elite
-Sanguinary Priest (power weapon, jump pack)-95
(This guy is only 90 points (50+25+15) )
He has melta-bombs too. My bad.
-Furioso Librarian (extra armor, wings, shield of sanguinius, magna-grapple, heavy flamer)-215
(I really doubt Shield is worth it. To get a 5+ cover sv you have to walk? Pass. Take Blood Lance and pop suits hiding behind things.)
Except for the fact that you cast Shield at the beginning of the opponents shooting phase, and since I can't use wings during his turn I don't see what the drawback it. Anything that makes him think more about where he wants to spend his markerlights is good for me. Besides, you talk about being forced to walk; I would have to walk if I wanted to use lance.

Troops
-Assault Squad (2x meltagun, PF)-235
-Tactical Squad (meltagun, missile launcher, power weapon, melta bombs)-260
--Rhino (extra armor)
(I'd rather have another RAS, but... Stick these guys into a tl HF Razorback instead. Then use the Razor as a light tank while the infantry hold a home objective. Or put a Combat Squad inside and rush them into the Firewarriors.)
I don't have another RAS or a Razorback.
-Scout Squad (sniper rifles, heavy bolter, cammo cloaks)-100
(Missile Launcher instead of HB and give the Sergeant a power weapon.)
Don't have a ML. Why would I take a power weapon on a sniper squad that will never see CC?

FA
-Baal Pred (Flamestorm cannon, extra armor, dozer blade)-135
(Why bother? You don't need AP3 for FW or Kroot and a single wound on suits just makes them mad. You could get 5 DC in a Drop Pod or some bikes. Nearly anything else would be more effective.)
He'll still want to stay away from this tank. I was planning on using it to either help corral him into a corner, or as an outflanker, do press him to the middle. However, I see your point, I'll probably drop the storm bolter on the second pred and make this a TLAC/HB pred too.
-Baal Pred (heavy bolters, extra armor, storm bolter) -170

Heavy
-Predator (Lascannons)-135

Total-1500


BA 1850
HQ
-Dante-225

Elites
-Sanguinary Priest (power weapon, jump pack)-95
(see above)
-Terminator Assault Squad (3x TH/SS, 2x LC)-490
--Land Raider (extra armor, multi-melta)
(Because he needs something large and expensive to ventilate with Railgun slugs? If you are tailoring this army to fight Tau then a Land Raider is pointless. For 250 points you could field Sanguinary Guard with the Chapter Banner, a Power Fist and an Infernus Pistol. You'll gain a bad ass scoring unit to support Dante and I'll bet dollars to donuts the terminators get into combat more consistently just by teleporting behind some cover.)
You make a very good point. I guess I fell into the trap of wanting to get more "cool stuff" on the table. If I don't take the raider I won't take the Termies, since I have terrible luck with them if they aren't in a transport. So what should I use those 490 points for? I have a couple MM bikes, some DC w/JPs, and a couple of dreads. Maybe a honor guard for Dante? Unfortunately I don't have any Sanguinary Guard.

Troops

Troops (see above)
-Assault Squad (2x meltagun, PF)-235
-Tactical Squad (meltagun, missile launcher, power weapon, melta bombs)-260
--Rhino (extra armor)
-Scout Squad (sniper rifles, heavy bolter, cammo cloaks)-100

FA
-Baal Pred (Flamestorm cannon, extra armor, dozer blade)-135
(see above)
-Baal Pred (heavy bolters, extra armor, storm bolter) -170

Heavy
-Predator (Lascannons)-135

Total-1850

Hope some of my comment help.:grin:

They are much appreciated.

 

[Wax]

you've got a potential 60" kill range ( 18" scout move, 18" normal move, 24" shooting range)
Keep in mind that I can't fire after moving 18" (flat out), but I understand the point you are making.

if you pay 5 pts more you could swap the power weapon and meltabombs for a fist, personal choice really I just find more attacks more effective than the one attack from a bomb
True, and having a PF would be ideal, unfortunately I lack a Tac Sgt. modeled with a fist; so sad...

the land raider itself though I've used in a tau list and they've been effective. simple strategy though. Keep it as a battle tank. have it in your lines with the predator right up in front of it. obscured as half the model is behind the predator, but with height and width it's cannons can still fire. even if the pred still gets destroyed it'll leave cover so it's not a bad idea. just some food for thought
I hadn't thought of that before. An interesting tactic. Unfortunately in this situation I think blowing 250 more points on my DC will be what I end up doing. Lemartes 'aint cheap, you know.

Thanks for the comments!