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Dross into Gold:

So what's Blackadder doing posting a painting thread; he doesn't know how to paint? Well I need a Space Marine army for my Thunderhawk and a Cadian army for my Tanks/Titans and Adeptus Mechanicus Priesthood Enclave again for the Titans so to show them off to their best so I decided to paint up some figures.

Once again as with my Tyranids airbrushing foray I am totally at sea regarding painting so this learning experience for me will be of help to newly initiated into war gaming.

I'm going to start with the Space Marines; my son with over 10 years in 40K Wargaming has progressed from a mere tyro to an accomplished painter/gamer but in the course of which has left behind literally hundreds of 'poor' to 'indifferently' finished figures so rather than plunk down beaucoup bucks for new squad kits I going to salvage the dross and turn it into gold (At least that is my intent and hope.)

Below you see about a tenth of the derilict SM host I have to refurbish:

http://i.imgur.com/bI6UGOp.jpg


These SM figures were in the scrap bitz box and number about 200 figures in varied states of completion and execution.

First I divided them up into homogeneous groups:

http://i.imgur.com/8S7FvTf.jpg


Again this is only a sampling of the number of figures I have to disassemble, clean, repair and paint.

I employed my tried and true method of hammer and chisel to separate the figures from their bases and worried the arms, jet packs, what-have-you from the basic figures and scraped, carved, filed, and sanded the excess glue and thick paint from the figures....

http://i.imgur.com/RJD9wUw.jpg


Next post Please...............
 
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If your nids are anything to go by, I look forward to seeing your progress :)
 

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Thanks for the reply and the vote of confidence;

Of course it's a judgement call, I'm not going to spend a lot of time cleaning and repairing garbage. Some of these figures only have a coat of prime and some are bare styrene. Most of the cleaning only requires paring off glued seams buildup.

Pieces that are too far gone can be used as hors de combat in related scenery.

There are quite a few metal figures as well.

The theme I am adopting is a basic black and 'Death World Forest' green which suits my understated taste:

http://i.imgur.com/lnrlqWn.jpg


and will go well with my proposed Thunderhawk and IG Cadians scheme.
 

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Dreadnoughts:

There are only two complete Dreadnoughts that I can find; one metal and one plastic. I disassembled them as far as practical, filed the mating surfaces for a flush fit (especially the metal one that bore a resemblance more so to a piece of slag than a combat vessel.)

I filed the hood lines to crisp up the corners and re-assembled with sparing drops of cyanoacrylate glue......

http://i.imgur.com/r1nFyxu.jpg


These lump-like constructions are the better for simplistic paint schemes because the highly ornate paint work tends to obliterate their already murky lines.

The unfortunate Chaos model is missing exhaust pack and leg assemblies.

http://i.imgur.com/9pwjGdu.jpg


Dreadnoughts are not among my favorite 40K denizens being more refugees from 'Silent Running' so I'm going to use them for practicing paint schemes.
 

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Glued For the Ages:

Okay before I go too far into this tutorial/ Learning experience I have to make a comment on model assembly. Now I know for a fact that these models were not built by my son because he got them from a friend.

For the life of me I cannot fathom why anyone would glue together the entire model before painting; at least the hard to reach places. Paint it first then glue it together. And what gluing!!!!! I had to hammer seams, pry, Literally snap the model apart on two of the cycles to get the driver out of the seat! YA DON'T NEED THAT MUCH GLUE!!!!! Scrap a bit of the paint off were the pieces join and put on a small drop of glue.

http://i.imgur.com/Mk5QSEy.jpg


That way as your skills improve you can disassemble the model with ease and upgrade your work.

Now nothing I did was irreparable because I've had a lot of practice. Chances are that no one will see the dissection seams but wouldn't it be easier to use a bit of discretion when gluing ????

http://i.imgur.com/XYqVJtF.jpg


Now that I've got that off my chest I can proceed with the painting.

http://i.imgur.com/1aLop09.jpg
 

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Chaos Dreadnought:

The snows fall'n and I've got a bit of a cold so I'm looking around for something simple to do and came upon these Dreadnoughts I started to refurbish last Summer.

One SM plastic Dreadnought pretty much done but needs some embellishment on the top, the trouble is I have no idea what goes with it and I can't find it on google.

Then I have a Metal SM Dreadnought that's also complete except for a broken left arm.

Then we have the problem of the Chaos Dreadnought that has two right arms, no left CC weapon missing one foot and the exhaust manifold piece.

http://i.imgur.com/q4GId6N.jpg


That's where I shall start today; making those missing pieces.

We'll start with the foot..............
 

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I found the plastic Dreadnought on google; it came from a SM starter set.



Dude These Things Are Expensive!

Hell I had no idea how expensive these hideous lumps of metal are.

The three I'm playing with cost about a hundred bucks!

So they're well worth repairing/refurbishing

The plastic foot which I've been scratching on and off today is coming out pretty good

http://i.imgur.com/BKDOkwr.jpg


I have to be careful to not make it too perfect otherwise it will make the metal one look too shoddy. :D

Seriously there is very little consistency of measurement regarding thickness or spacing of the toes and very few of the angles approach 90° square. it only takes a degree or two on something this small to make it appear haphazardly made.

http://i.imgur.com/gxkjWRh.jpg


I purposely made the toes slightly thicker than they are suppose to be so I can file them to shape when the foot is fully assembled.

http://i.imgur.com/EZFL0aR.jpg
 

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Great looking stuff, always nice to see old models brought to the fore front.
 

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Here's a question and coincidentally addressed to you 'Darken of Chaos'; I just went on ebay and SM Dreadnoughts are going for $35 bucks a pop regardless of condition and Chaos Dreads and going for ten to twenty bucks cheaper; what's the reason for this?

Chaos Dreads your obviously best buy........... :D
 

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Your work is always impressive.

This is going to sound funny, but did you try freezing the metal models before smashing them? A friend along time ago showed me that one, guess the super glue freezes and becomes really really brittle. Also the cheap dollar store nail polish remover (100% acetone) cleans metal models in minutes (no bueno for plastic models).

I have received some stuff from ebay that looked like a nightmare had assembled and painted it, those tricks have helped me.
 

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Thanks for the tips,

50 Pieces of Plastic:

That's my rough estimate of the number of pieces contained in this foot.

Many of them much smaller than an ant, it only goes to show what can be done if you set your mind to it.

http://i.imgur.com/qSFF6VS.jpg


Now the real kick in the slats is if you go on ebay you can buy the whole Dreadnought for about $15 bucks including shipping.

So you're working for how much of an hourly rate Blackadder????????
 

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Cold Remedy:

Are plastic fumes good for a cold?

How 'bout toxic metals, whatever these Dreads are made of

Anyway the foot fits real good and my trio is shaping up.

http://i.imgur.com/y7MmJfL.jpg


Not bad for a pile of scrap they cleaned up pretty good.

The rear exhaust is coming along as well I think I made the holes too big but perhaps the paint will close them up a tad

http://i.imgur.com/tKTUNhk.jpg


These things are a lot of work for being as tiny as they are. I'm use to vehicles that are measured in feet not inches.

http://i.imgur.com/GbHFXrK.jpg


But they'll look good on the display diorama if for nothing else a scale reference.

http://i.imgur.com/ytE5xYf.jpg
 

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Well Good Enough:

I had to fudge quite a bit of the exhaust stacks but it's a fair facsimile of a Chaos Helbrute Dreadnought exhaust.

http://i.imgur.com/uilgoWJ.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/BJq2vX5.jpg


Yeah I know 'Good enough' is not in my vocabulary but sometimes it is........ :D

Ya gotta draw the line somewhere..........
 

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The exhaust stack is cool! My only reason that I can think the chaos dreads are cheaper is because the Hellbrute model is the only 'valid' one codex wise - Although I have no problem with people using dreadnoughts as hellbrutes don't know how they'd stack up in GW events.
 

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Hey Mr. Adder,

This log is looking cool. I always enjoy your work.

The thing when chaos dreads I believe is just supply and demand. The Dark Vengeance box made chaos dreads e.g. Helbrutes common and exceedingly cheap.

As it happens, I have a long standing love If chaos dreads. I was first smitten by the really old ones from the Rogue Trader era. And my love of strange baroque humanoid fighting machines never abated.

By the by, I might have some extra arms for vintage (metal) chaos dreads. I'll have to look. If I do and you're interested I can send them you're way.
 

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Thanks I appreciate the offer. I've still got a lot of boxes to scrounge through, just cataloging all this sh..er..stuff is taking a lot longer than I wanted to devote to such a menial project.

I hope to finish sometime this week.

But since you like Chaos perhaps you can answer this:

I suppose it's a lot of work for something that is relatively valueless but it makes me feel good to make this little dude look as good as he can.

So with a coat of primer and a coat of flat black he's ready for the gilt.

http://i.imgur.com/8qJFqYY.jpg


Now a Question for Chaos aficionados, is it correct to have a Dread painted with the same colour scheme as a Chaos Warhound?

http://i.imgur.com/c2PXtCu.jpg


I mean there is no Adeptus Mechanicus for Chaos is there?

http://i.imgur.com/20UesYU.jpg


So what would a proper colour scheme be if not the rotted green and rusty steel of my Warhound?
 

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Now a Question for Chaos aficionados, is it correct to have a Dread painted with the same colour scheme as a Chaos Warhound?
As far as I know, dreads are usually just painted in the chosen warband / legion scheme. I can see your Warhound is the Deathguard theme (Nurglish green with iron trim) and you can easily paint your dread in that theme if you wish.

I mean there is no Adeptus Mechanicus for Chaos is there?
Actually there is - The Dark Mechanicus.

I love this thread by the way. Keep it coming!
 

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The other question is whether this is a big legion or a smaller warband. Who controls the titan and who controls the dread? And what does the background and your personal fluff say?
 
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