Best SM tank?

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Doelago

Discussion Starter · Oct 7, 2010

I am planing to collect an Armored Space Marine strike force, and I want three tanks, but I dont know which ones... So what is the tank in the SM armory that is most cost effective, and generally useful in every situation? What tanks should the force have? What is the best combo? And what up grades should it have? Stormbolter? Dozer Blade? I am trying to make an army that is even slightly competive, so any advices are useful...

Also, what is the best SM APC? Is it work drop podding big squads or Razorback small squads?

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vonklaude

· #41 · Oct 19, 2010 (Edited)

texcuda said:
look at the scout entry on pg 134, you have to give the scout unit camo cloaks for a certain quantity of pointsin order for the squad to have stealth.

Telion's entry says nothing about conferring stealth to an attached squad.

Telion is a UC not an IC. He has Stealth. Stealth applies to units, not models. The USRs very definitely distinguish between 'unit' and 'model'. The terms are never used interchangeably (and they are defined up front in the rulebook). Ergo, unless there is another rule somewhere saying Stealth sometimes applies to models, then Stealth only ever applies to units.

Further, if Telion is bought and you did buy cloaks, you must buy a cloak for Telion and he would have Stealth twice. That would be meaningless, and yet there is no provision in RAW to not buy cloaks for all members of the unit. The reason for that is that Stealth applies to units, not models.

Telion is an upgrade for the unit and his Stealth, per the words actually written in the rulebook, gives the unit a cover save benefit.

The correct question to ask of nay-sayers is 'Can you point to the words in the rulebook that say that Stealth in the case of Telion applies to a model, rather than the unit per the USR?'

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Winterous

· #42 · Oct 22, 2010

vonklaude said:
Telion is a UC not an IC. He has Stealth. Stealth applies to units, not models. The USRs very definitely distinguish between 'unit' and 'model'. The terms are never used interchangeably (and they are defined up front in the rulebook). Ergo, unless there is another rule somewhere saying Stealth sometimes applies to models, then Stealth only ever applies to units.

Further, if Telion is bought and you did buy cloaks, you must buy a cloak for Telion and he would have Stealth twice. That would be meaningless, and yet there is no provision in RAW to not buy cloaks for all members of the unit. The reason for that is that Stealth applies to units, not models.

Telion is an upgrade for the unit and his Stealth, per the words actually written in the rulebook, gives the unit a cover save benefit.

The correct question to ask of nay-sayers is 'Can you point to the words in the rulebook that say that Stealth in the case of Telion applies to a model, rather than the unit per the USR?'

The fact that it says UNITS with it is a pretty obviously indicator that it was an oversight, they didn't think about a single model in a unit having it and the rest not, when writing the BRB.
When you look at Sergeant Harker, he has a rule which specifically says that he grants it to the rest of the unit; don't you think that if that's what they intended of Telion, that they would have specified?

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