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via The Father Mapple (a reader of Faeit 212 and an attorney)
Hey Natfka,
Just some speculation about publicly filed records.

I was doing some research on the United States Trademark website, and found that in September 2013, GW filed for the "BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC" "MORDHEIM" "NECROMUNDA" "DREADLEET" trademarks. These are being actively pursued, with some documents being filed as recently as last week, in September 2014, with correspondence going back and forth.

Also, these are pre-applications, where they anticipate releasing products in the future and want to be protected until market, not for products that they already have in the market.

In addition, the categories of goods they cover include miniature games, RPGs, computer games, and anything in between those categories and board/card games.

Dreadfleet is actually gotten through to be posted for opposition, which means the public can comment and challenge it, but the USPTO doesn't have a problem with it.

To serve as a counter-example, some of the Blood Bowl trademarks date back from the 1990's and the 2000's, and are considered to still be in use in various ways. And 1 Space Hulk trademark from 1997 for board and computer games is still active and being used, but newer Space Hulk ones for various other types of games are being filed in September 2013 with the others mentioned above.

The really funny thing to me is that they killed off the Specialist games around May 2013... but then in September of the same year paid an attorney lots of money to file for all the other trademarks again. So, in my unprofessional market analysis, this is not a "We used these in the past, lets get the IP rights" type of thing, but a "We got stuff coming down the pipe later, and now we are doing the IP rights correctly this time before hand!"
 

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I wouldnt be at all surprised if we see any of these games in the near future, hobbit releases will end at christmas, the registration of those marks sits them at about the correct lead time for release next year as gw works about 18 months to 2 years ahead, battlefleet gothic for me would be a great starting point for a re launch of specialist games, people love 40k tie ins, small single sprue blisters in plastic for capital ships and the same for escorts and fighter craft, limited asteroid box in plastic, make it skirmish size and try and pull back some xwing players.



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battlefleet gothic for me would be a great starting point for a re launch of specialist games, people love 40k tie ins, small single sprue blisters in plastic for capital ships and the same for escorts and fighter craft, limited asteroid box in plastic, make it skirmish size and try and pull back some xwing players.
Seems fair enough. Almost as if somebody at GWHQ has seen SW: Armada and gone "Whadafuq!?"
 

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Killing off their Specialist Games in 2013 but then apply for trademarks for the games they killed off and have no intention of re-leasing them in the future.

It makes perfect sense.:good:
 

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I wouldnt be at all surprised if we see any of these games in the near future, hobbit releases will end at christmas, the registration of those marks sits them at about the correct lead time for release next year as gw works about 18 months to 2 years ahead, battlefleet gothic for me would be a great starting point for a re launch of specialist games, people love 40k tie ins, small single sprue blisters in plastic for capital ships and the same for escorts and fighter craft, limited asteroid box in plastic, make it skirmish size and try and pull back some xwing players.
I don't see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I really hope they do re-release BFG, because it's my favourite GW game. The rules are great (for GW), the models have stood the test of time, and the theme/setting is awesome. I just don't see them gambling on something new at the moment given their financial position and all the other stuff they already have on their plate.

Also, X-wing is a completely different game (mechanic and theme-wise) to BFG; it's also much tighter and tactically complex. Firestorm armada and Star Wars Armada are the two games BFG's going to need to compete against. I don't see BFG winning either of those match ups.

I really hope I'm wrong, I'd love to crank out my imperial fleet and shoot down some traitor/xeno scum!
 

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I don't see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I really hope they do re-release BFG, because it's my favourite GW game. The rules are great (for GW), the models have stood the test of time, and the theme/setting is awesome. I just don't see them gambling on something new at the moment given their financial position and all the other stuff they already have on their plate.

Also, X-wing is a completely different game (mechanic and theme-wise) to BFG; it's also much tighter and tactically complex. Firestorm armada and Star Wars Armada are the two games BFG's going to need to compete against. I don't see BFG winning either of those match ups.

I really hope I'm wrong, I'd love to crank out my imperial fleet and shoot down some traitor/xeno scum!
Thing is GW have been all about the "not seeing it happen" lately, in the last few months we have had some real blind siders with stormclaw, warhammer nagash end times and space hulk, Whos to say what migjt or might not happen ?

Plus battlefleet G Doesnt need to win as such vs armarda, it just needs to take money from the wallets of loyal GW gamers , it might take some market share from other games but GW has such a massive share of the pie it really just needs to shift units to its own player base to be a success any defectors from other systems would be gravy.

But yeah it could just be protecting IP , interesting to hear though.



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Killing off their Specialist Games in 2013 but then apply for trademarks for the games they killed off and have no intention of re-leasing them in the future.

It makes perfect sense.:good:
You've dealt with GW before, right? :laugh:
 

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I wouldnt be at all surprised if we see any of these games in the near future, hobbit releases will end at christmas, the registration of those marks sits them at about the correct lead time for release next year as gw works about 18 months to 2 years ahead, battlefleet gothic for me would be a great starting point for a re launch of specialist games, people love 40k tie ins, small single sprue blisters in plastic for capital ships and the same for escorts and fighter craft, limited asteroid box in plastic, make it skirmish size and try and pull back some xwing players.
I have been led to believe there is a long term plan that will begin to bear fruition in time for next xmas - and that specialist games are going to be making a timed return at the arse end of the hobbit
 

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This comes from things like the people who profited from GW trademarking Space Marines - some people jumped on the bandwagon "games workshop are evil" - but GW having filed the trademark have to be seen to doing what they can to protect the trademark - hence the heavy handed response to avoid losing the lucrative "monopoly" on the name and image.

I'm more convinced that it's simply protecting its past ventures to prevent people capitalising on the gap in the market.



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I'm more convinced that it's simply protecting its past ventures to prevent people capitalising on the gap in the market.
Exactly. With the Specialist games gone, other companies will try and fill the void. We saw this recently with that Spanish company trying to rerelease HeroQuest because the GW copyright had lapsed in Spain. It didn't end well for them.
 

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Thing is GW have been all about the "not seeing it happen" lately, in the last few months we have had some real blind siders with stormclaw, warhammer nagash end times and space hulk, Whos to say what might or might not happen ?
That's apples and oranges; space hulk is a reprint of something they know will sell like some kind of hot bakery treat, and Stormclaw and Nagash are for their two core systems. Even if BFG is a one off box set it'll still require a lot of effort/risk, which I don't see them doing. Sorry, I don't mean to poo-poo this hypothesis, because I'm really hoping it's true.

Plus battlefleet G Doesnt need to win as such vs armarda, it just needs to take money from the wallets of loyal GW gamers , it might take some market share from other games but GW has such a massive share of the pie it really just needs to shift units to its own player base to be a success any defectors from other systems would be gravy.
Do they have such a massive share of the pie? I'm in Australia, so my view is a little skewed, but I'd be interested to know how GW is fairing against the opposition. In my mind the whole point of re-releasing a system like BFG is to try and get sales from people not already in the hobby. If they want sales from their existing customers they're better off just releasing some special edition book or updating the space marine codex, or creating some special event like Nagash and the end times.

Then again, what do I know about anything? I don't buy GW stuff anymore, I just like reading the news.

But yeah it could just be protecting IP , interesting to hear though.
Definitely fun to speculate on these things. I'm guessing as others have said it's just for IP reasons, but I'm really hoping I'm wrong, but if I'm not, I'm all prepared for the crushing disappointment.

IMO GW should really be trying to encourage/capitalise on stuff like Mordheim, Necromunda and Kill-team. It'd be a good way for people to enter the hobby without a mortgage, and requires minimal effort/risk on GWs part.
 

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small single sprue blisters in plastic for capital ships and the same for escorts and fighter craft, limited asteroid box in plastic, make it skirmish size and try and pull back some xwing players.
I completely agree. GW sees Xwing as their largest tabletop opposition at the moment so it would make sense for them to want to try and bring people back. It would also serve to bring younger players into the hobby. This would also act as a bridge between Xwing and 40k. I'm excited to see where the hobby is headed!
 

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Well here is my tuppence worth.

BFG would struggle to regain any kind of following, due to that Dystopian War has supplanted it and I can tell you that the reports I am getting is that Dystopian War has a larger following than BFG ever had in my local area that contains the entire Hunter/Sydney/Illawarra. In all of my time either as a player or casual observer I in the last 10 years I have only seen 3 BFG games, whilst since the release of Dystopian War I have seen hundreds of games.

If GW did release BFG now it would only be seen as exceptionally desperate attempt to counter Dystopian War and other games such as X-Wing.

I know that Dystopian War and BFG are different only in as much as DW is land based and BFG is space based but it is similar in other ways as it is fleet based.

GW is in a no win situation here, i'll ask anyone here the question.

Which Armies in 40K and WHF have to be scrapped so that GW can afford to re-release these specialist games and to fully support them into the future?
 

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Hey its pure speculation until we see some WD scans but I say count GW out at your peril, no offence to those down under but your meta and trends are not what GW base its decisions on they base them on what the UK and EU/US buy, which is why they still have a retail chain, BFG could easily be a third game with revenue enough to make it vaible or a relative risk free splash release, as for effort , very little is required, the designs are already established for loads of races and wouldn't require vast effort to move to plastic, plus who wounldnt buy it if it went total plastic? If they can reinvent the undead clown and sell out of him twice at £65 then a space fleet game based on 40k fluff in a box at £75 is a golden egg laying chicken isnt it? Same with bloodbowl , plastic pitch same rules and highly detailed plastic teams and single blister plastic star players you would buy that wouldnt you? Followed by dungeon bowl a little later?
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