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Alright, I think I've found a grey ruling here, and need some help.

Terminators operate on large bases. Obliterators are implied in the story/fluff that they were once terminators, and are sort of mutated Termies and Techmarines.

However... is there any OFFICIAL ruling that says that an Oblit needs to be on a large base?
 

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The rules clearly state that you can mount any based model on a base *larger* than it comes with, but never *smaller* p6 main ook

Oblits come with a large, terminator sized base. That is the smallest base they can be legally mounted on.

However, if you want a big sculpted base or a dreadnought base, you're free to have one.
 

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Yes... but the rules also never say that you MUST use the model offered. I wasn't planning on using the Obliterator Model for the units, I was actually planning to use Ahriman models. Which come with a small base, and yet have almost identical stats. That's why I'm trying to figure out what dictates what makes the base size. Is it the 2+ save? Or is it simply arbitrary? It seems silly to be running Ahriman models on Termi-bases...
 

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That's why I'm trying to figure out what dictates what makes the base size. Is it the 2+ save? Or is it simply arbitrary?

Its whatever you are using it as not what it was. So in this case its a power amoured mini but on a obliterater/termi size base being used as and oblit. Otherwise everybody starts making micro machine Landraiders and such.
You measure from the base when shooting or being shot at and when you go through gaps between other bases or terrian. It is pretty abitrary i suppose and i still have not rebased my older metal termis but its the way it is.

Gives you a nice chance to go a bit scenic on your bases if you feel theres too much space.
 

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Ok, on base sizes, I have Space Hulk Termies. I am told new Terminators have larger bases. Am I ok useing the bases they came with?
 

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I am not rebasing my termies, i spent too much money on this danmed case. Would u guys say placing them on a larger base (not glueing) is acceptable?
 

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Absolutely acceptable. You will have the right base size for measuring purposes without having to rip models off the old bases. Plus it gives you a bit more area to make even cooler bases with.
 

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I don't actually terrain my bases. I'm not that good. Black bases are simply what I work with.

I was really just wondering if there was anything listed, ruleswise, about the models. I mean, if someone were to open the Codex up and read through it, there's nothing there stating Oblits were large base... you wouldn't know that until you bought the models. God forbid you bought models off ebay without bases....
 

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You'll laugh, but the bases I use are poker chips (which are about a mm off of spec for the large base) and I took my small base termies and glued the whole damn thing down with plastic cement on the poker chips, then put pva glue and gravel and sand, and it looks awesome. You'd never know they are actually shorter figs on essentially two bases. It actually makes them stand about right since the old termies were smaller than the current ones.

http://picasaweb.google.com/OrdoHereticus/Anniversary/photo#5119059260373162194

http://picasaweb.google.com/OrdoHereticus/Anniversary/photo#5119059217423489218

http://picasaweb.google.com/OrdoHereticus/Termie1/photo#5119505786648091154
 

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If it's meant to count as obliterators, it should have the same characteristics (meaning similar size and base) as obliterators.

As far as old terminators go, it just says it can be no smaller than the base the model comes on. Old terminators come on a small base.

Frankly, it doesn't make that much difference either way. A slightly larger base is more of an advantage, really. Lets you base to base with more models, makes you less vulnerable to small blast templates when deepstriking, etc.
 

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There isn't anything saying you 'have' to use the new chaos codex or 4th edition rulebook either. But when stats or whole rules change, the old ones are obsolete. In the old days, SMs could have jetbikes. Now they can't. You may have twenty Ravenwing jetbikes but there are currently no rules for them. I have a SM in power armour with an assault cannon - can't use him. I have another with a shuriken pistol - 'counts as' a bolt pistol, because these examples are not currently supported by the rules.

When base sizes change, well, that's essentially a change in stats. In the old WHFB books, bestiary entries were listed with a base size 'stat' (not on the statline admitedly). The base size constituted part of the rules for the troop type. The only logical inference is that when Termies started being sold on larger bases, the larger base size was the new/currently supported size to be used - even if GW didn't issue an edict...

Of course 'at home' one can use whatever one wants - jetbikes, shuriken pistols, assault cannons and small bases - but the original question surely must be interpreted to mean 'codex legal'. or there was no point in asking it. 'At home' you can mount obliterators (or Terminators) on donuts, CDs, cats or training shoes if you want. You could play the whole game with chess pieces, Lego figures or sculptures made of cheese. You could set up two armies and throw rocks at them to decide who wins. But you probably wouldn't get away with any of those things at your local GW.

So, yes it's true you don't 'have' to re-base your Termies in any existential sense. Just in 'codex legal' sense.

 

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mount warhammer armies on cats eh...

sounds like a plan for world domination!
Now you put it that way, I think you're on to something...

Bagsy Necrons-on-a-Tiger.

 

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i have been keeping an eye on this thread and i have to disagree with those stating that the old terminators on their original bases are 'illegal'.

utter tosh in my opinion.

the rules state that you must use a base no smaller than that supplied. Old Terminators were supplied with smaller bases. ergo, the smallest base they may use is that one. you may base them on a bigger base if you wish, but you are still complying with the rules if you do not.
 

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... i have to disagree with those stating that the old terminators on their original bases are 'illegal'.

utter tosh in my opinion.

the rules state that you must use a base no smaller than that supplied. Old Terminators were supplied with smaller bases. ergo, the smallest base they may use is that one...
But the point is rules change. If (and I'll agree it's an 'if') base-size constitutes part of the rule-set for a figure or unit, and it changes (which it has, as far as I recall, not having had 40k termies in the old days, only Space Hulk ones, which is after all a different game), then the 'rules' for that figure have changed. I can't use an RT sergeant with a shuriken pistol just because it was game-legal in 1988. Ravenwing players can't use those old jetbikes, because they've not been game-legal for 15 years or whatever. Likewise, I can't use a standard base for a termie even though it was legal in 1992 (for Space Hulk).

On the other hand, if the base size isn't part of the rule-set, then there really isn't a problem. So does base size constitute part of the rules? I submit that it is self-evident that it does (or the 'not smaller than...' rule wouldn't exist).

 

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but you are missing the point entirely. we are not discussing models that have now redundant weaponry, we are discussing base size, and which bases are legal.

the rules state you must use a base no smaller than that supplied with the model.

it does not state you must use the same size base as the newest version of that model.

therefore advocating that people have illegal models because they are still using the ordinary size base on the old metal terminators or the original obliterators instead of those supplied with the newest version of those models is incorrect.

were i to buy an old metal chaos terminator today, it would be supplied with the ordinary sized base, and by the letter of the rules, if i used that base for the model it would be legal.
 
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