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Yes it would and as a community we should frown on such blatant piracy and make tutting noises at anyone doing such a thing.
But Presumably buying such an apple and cutting it into wedges and selling wedges individually for those who want apple but not a whole one is just good capitalism.

Even where the IP owner (asda) is losing out on sales of whole apples to people who just want a few bites? (its worth noting, that I for one have no qualms with this waste reduction process, Im all for a pay by the slice system)

What about secondhand apples (presumably uneaten), here a apple fetishist gains an apple, without asda gaining remuneration?

Is this not the same effect morally as growing your own, whereby you gain use \ ownership of an apple at a cost whilst asda gains nothing?

I know in the video game world secondhand games are described by the IP owners as "retail piracy".

This is purely for the purposes of discussion, I have never grown apples from pips, and my cherry trees were bought at a store as saplings. Hence I can grow as many cherries as I am able, and can consume or sell as many as I produce (obviously within whatever food safety \ distribution regulations apply).
 

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well to put it into perspective, Asda wanted me to pay £3 for 4 apples (nice apples) thats 75p an apple !! for fecking apples!!!!!!!!

Anyway the price rise could be much much worse, the next AOBR type set will be £80 :read:
That is pretty cheap for an apple. Try going to an Apple store.:laugh:
 

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Would it be stealing Asda's Intellectual Property if you bought their apples, ate them and then planted the pips to grow new apple trees producing near identical apples at minimal cost?
From what I understand of the way in which apple trees are propagated and pollinated, the apples you grow would not be anywhere near identical, and might not even be edible.

New apple trees are made by grafting cuttings onto root stock, and that's the way in which you can grow a new apple tree of the same variety.

When you grow an apple tree from a pip the tree has been pollinated with pollen from, well, only the bees will know. This can create new apple varieties that are edible - indeed it was a young girl planting the pips of her apple that created Bramley Apples (British cooking apples) - but most often the resulting fruit will not be edible.

I am testing this with the pips from Cox apples, but it takes a while for the results to become clear.

This is why you should never buy from recasters on ebay.
 

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But Presumably buying such an apple and cutting it into wedges and selling wedges individually for those who want apple but not a whole one is just good capitalism.

Even where the IP owner (asda) is losing out on sales of whole apples to people who just want a few bites? (its worth noting, that I for one have no qualms with this waste reduction process, Im all for a pay by the slice system)
well when the asda takes away its "slice" facility its left for the humble "grocer" to fill the void ;)



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Would it be stealing Asda's Intellectual Property if you bought their apples, ate them and then planted the pips to grow new apple trees producing near identical apples at minimal cost
Actually in court it is. Monsanto is a company that makes modified wheat which a lot of farmers use. It is actually in their agreement that farmers aren't allowed to gather the seeds from a previous years harvest to grow the next years harvest. They have actually gone after farmers and sued them along with going after farmers who accidentally had their crops mixed with the proprietary wheat.
 

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Actually in court it is. Monsanto is a company that makes modified wheat which a lot of farmers use. It is actually in their agreement that farmers aren't allowed to gather the seeds from a previous years harvest to grow the next years harvest. They have actually gone after farmers and sued them along with going after farmers who accidentally had their crops mixed with the proprietary wheat.
In America \ Canada that is the case, over here in the UK the farmers who's crops were contaminated won compensation!

Those cases over the pond hinged upon the Patent, as far as Im aware ASDA don't hold any patents on particular strains of Apples, at least to the best of my knowledge. However in the allegorical discussion it most certain did represent a violation of copyright.
 

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UK the farmers who's crops were contaminated won compensation
Awesome good for them, Monsanto are d*cks and so is the government that allowed them to go through with what they do.

Back on topic, anyone have the price increases for Canada. Are they pretty much going to mirror the rest of the world?
 

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Right first off, i call Bull on this also, why because iv havent received any so called Newsletter saying anything about prices been raised and why would one person get a newsletter and not everyone else its been a week and nothing, so again bull as no sources and two there to steep even for GW.
 

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Holy shit, only just noticed the movement trays are going up to £10. I see the sales of people's favourite movement tray manufacturers going up :wink:
 

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Right first off, i call Bull on this also, why because iv havent received any so called Newsletter saying anything about prices been raised and why would one person get a newsletter and not everyone else its been a week and nothing, so again bull as no sources and two there to steep even for GW.
Little late to be calling bull on this one, its happening

Source here:-

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/images/newsletter/gw2012pricerise.pdf

The Bulls already charging.

Anyway I think were going a little off topic, we were discussing fruit, apples in particular but it was all inclusive fruity thread.
 

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Until i see it from GW itself, i still call bull, as thats no more legit then any other rumour we've been hearing.
Surely the fact they have raised prices year after year, coupled with a list provided by the U.K's largest GW independent trader is enough to cement that this is happening in your mind. I understand that none of us want to believe that GW are going to raise their prices by as much as 33%, but it's coming, it's time to deal with it :eek:k:

I think I might start and emotional support group for GW customers, I'd make a fortune in membership fees.
 

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Until i see it from GW itself, i still call bull, as thats no more legit then any other rumour we've been hearing.
Will be live on their website June 4th.

Waylands games are one of the UK's biggest GW independent stores they have it here on their home page As its not April the first and not in their nature to make up stuff like this, its happening.

Of course disbelieving something is a personal choice but you don't have to believe in buses to get ran over by one. This one is currently honking its horn and flashing its lights
 

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Right first off, i call Bull on this also, why because iv havent received any so called Newsletter saying anything about prices been raised and why would one person get a newsletter and not everyone else its been a week and nothing, so again bull as no sources and two there to steep even for GW.
Thats the second time I've seen this... the GW Newsletter =/= Information sent to partnership stores.

Theres news and availability listings sent out to stores weeks before there are advertisements/newsletters sent out to the general public.
 

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Back on topic, anyone have the price increases for Canada. Are they pretty much going to mirror the rest of the world?
I wonder too... If the Stormraven goes from 41 pounds to 50 pounds, it will still be less expensive than the actual canadian price!

50 pounds=80-82 CDN$ -Including VAT-

On the canadian site:

79$ but doesn't include taxes (not allowed to include them in the sales price in Canada), so anywhere from 83$ to 91$...

As a quick comparison, 50 pounds is about 8 times the UK minimum wage and 83$ is also about 8 times the canadian minimum wage.

But still, you know if UK gets a 20% increase, so will we!

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I wonder too... If the Stormraven goes from 41 pounds to 50 pounds, it will still be less expensive than the actual canadian price!

50 pounds=80-82 CDN$ -Including VAT-

On the canadian site:

79$ but doesn't include taxes (not allowed to include them in the sales price in Canada), so anywhere from 83$ to 91$...

As a quick comparison, 50 pounds is about 8 times the UK minimum wage and 83$ is also about 8 times the canadian minimum wage.

But still, you know if UK gets a 20% increase, so will we!

Phil

Storm Raven is $110 in Australia, some people don't even earn that in a day. So GW can stick their price rise up their overpaid ass.
 

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wayland have got the new RRP prices showing for everything they stock now, loads has gone up that wasn't on the PDF :(
 

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$74.25 for a god damn land raider? Are you fucking me?
 
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