[Xabre]

It's a compilation of all sorts of things. Lots of old Dataslates are being put in here, INCLUDING Skyhammer. It's also going to have all of the stuff from the old Clan Raukaan supplement (they mention the Gorgon's Chain), so presumably also the Sentinels of Terra.

Looks like also 4 new power sets, usable by ANY Astartes.

40k rules for some of the models from Calth as well... Cataphract Terminators, and possibly the two HQ units? I doubt they'd step on FW's toes for the Contemptor.

 

[Rush Darling]

Think I've read it's a paper back release too. Should save some currencies.

EDIT: Not that I've played any 30k, but shouldn't they have let the CSM use their 30k stuff too?

 

[ntaw]

Cataphract Terminators, and possibly the two HQ units?

Terminators
Terminator Captain
Contemptor

Three units that don't have rules from GW for 40k.

Nice to see DA, GK, SW, and BA will get access to the new Disciplines. Might have to get a set of the cards if there's anything interesting there for me. I rarely play Psykers but one day BA will get a Librarius Conclave of some kind.

 

[Xabre]

Terminators
Terminator Captain
Contemptor

Three units that don't have rules from GW for 40k.

Nice to see DA, GK, SW, and BA will get access to the new Disciplines. Might have to get a set of the cards if there's anything interesting there for me. I rarely play Psykers but one day BA will get a Librarius Conclave of some kind.

Not sure if they'd release a contemptor, since FW still mass produces those rules. If anything, I was thinking maybe the Termi-Captain and possibly a new Chaplain (which I believe someone said was the other HQ it comes with).

I saw a few of the power cards in more leaks, I'll have to try and dig it up again. One of the 'earthmancy' powers was actually a healing spell, plus IWND. The lightning one gave you an invul... and one of the 'Librarius' powers let you and your unit reroll saves.

 

[MidnightSun]

Non-bundle reprint of the Skyhammer Annihilation Force?

We're back in business, boyos.

 

[ntaw]

Not sure if they'd release a contemptor, since FW still mass produces those rules.

So? FW also produced all those models in super costly resin and now it's plastic. They say 'three new units' and a Chaplain certainly is nothing new.

I'll have to try and dig it up again.

Don't forget your shovel.

Non-bundle reprint of the Skyhammer Annihilation Force?

We're back in business, boyos.

Wait....has not having a physical copy ever stopped you from using it?

 

[Xabre]

So? FW also produced all those models in super costly resin and now it's plastic. They say 'three new units' and a Chaplain certainly is nothing new.

Models =/= rules. Nothing that GW produced in Calth ever overrode FW rules. People were simply using the new cheaper plastic models instead of FW's resin marks of armor. They were still using FW's rules for the model.

We've always had a Captain in Terminator armor, so what's different between that and a 'Terminator Captain'?

 

[Angel of Blood]

Wonder if this will allow BA, DA or SW to use Skyhammer?

 

[ntaw]

Wonder if this will allow BA, DA or SW to use Skyhammer?

They already can really. It's how you can tell who the 'real' BA players are :laugh:

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a hectic FAQ released after this book comes out.

We've always had a Captain in Terminator armor, so what's different between that and a 'Terminator Captain'?

Sigh. OK, here's a list of the five units we get in the BaC box:

Tactical marines
Chaplain
Contemptor
Cataphractii Terminators
Cataphractii Praetor

Still think we're getting new rules for stuff we already have? I know I didn't stipulate the type of TDA but c'mon dude. I know you like playing Devil's Advocate but this is just silly.

 

[Angel of Blood]

They already can really. It's how you can tell who the 'real' BA players are :laugh:

You mean people not using the rules properly or playing them as vanilla marines?

 

[Xabre]

Sigh. OK, here's a list of the five units we get in the BaC box:

Tactical marines
Chaplain
Contemptor
Cataphractii Terminators
Cataphractii Praetor

Still think we're getting new rules for stuff we already have? I know I didn't stipulate the type of TDA but c'mon dude. I know you like playing Devil's Advocate but this is just silly.

No, it's just me trying to process. Adding a unit of Cataphractii makes perfect sense if they're going to play it separate from standard terminators. And a Praetor could be a different category of HQ, with some other stats, wargear, purpose, etc. But just doing a cataph captain with a different wargear as a captain seems redundant. Make a Praetor different from a captain however... that's an option.

Likewise, and we saw this recently with the changes to Iron Priests, we COULD see the return of the Reclusiarch, using the new Chaplain model. DAs still have them (Intero-chappys), so...

 

[ntaw]

You mean people not using the rules properly or playing them as vanilla marines?

I mean people who play the game for rules and rock 'red marines' with a Blood Angel force instead of actually using the rules for the army. Everyone gets to play the game the way they want though, it was really just a joke.

just doing a cataph captain with a different wargear as a captain seems redundant

Just add:

* may be upgraded to Praetor for x points
* Praetor may take Catapeabsdjkgvb (stupid fake words) armour for x points

Or do a whole new entry just like with the Iron Priest, as you pointed out.

we COULD see the return of the Reclusiarch, using the new Chaplain model

Have vanilla SM ever had access to a Reclusiarch before? I can't recall it ever being the case. I mean you're right in saying that it could happen, but we don't have Catafraktie rules for 40k so that seems the obvious choice.

DAs still have them (Intero-chappys), so...

I-Cs do not equal Reclusiarch's in any way outside their stats. Fluff is totally different for each, plus BA still have a (the) Reclusiarch: Astorath.

 

[Xabre]

Just add:

* may be upgraded to Praetor for x points
* Praetor may take Catapeabsdjkgvb (stupid fake words) armour for x points

Or do a whole new entry just like with the Iron Priest, as you pointed out.

Have vanilla SM ever had access to a Reclusiarch before? I can't recall it ever being the case. I mean you're right in saying that it could happen, but we don't have Catafraktie rules for 40k so that seems the obvious choice.

I-Cs do not equal Reclusiarch's in any way outside their stats. Fluff is totally different for each, plus BA still have a (the) Reclusiarch: Astorath.

I realize that in 30k, a Praetor was basically the captain, but maybe we can see it have a different role in 40k... rather than it being Captain > Praetor > Ch Master. Not sure how it would work. I don't play 30k to really know how the Praetor's customize, but maybe something with better WS, worse BS as a melee HQ or some such.

And I wasn't referring to Intero-Chappys and RElusiarchs being the same fluff. I simply meant a tier-2 statline. We used to have the Techmarine and the Master of the Forge, and I THOUGHT that other factions used to have Chaplain And Reclusiarch, and then in 7E they removed both the Master, and the Reclusiarch....

and then gave Space Wolves back the Master of the Forge in their crazy 'let's screw with Iron Priests' move.

I expect to see a 'Cataphfracti Terminator Squad' as one of the entries. I just don't expect to see a 'Captain in Catasomething Armor' as its own entry, rather new wargear upgrade for the Captain.

 

[ntaw]

I just don't expect to see a 'Captain in Catasomething Armor' as its own entry

I don't think people expected to be able to choose which Iron Priest profile suited their list more, either :laugh:

In either case, out of the five units from the box three don't have rules for 40k and without dredging up a unit title that has been officially retired I would surmise those are the three units we'll be seeing rules for whether by datasheet or wargear upgrade allowance.

Aside, I thought the term Reclusiarch was still kicking around but nope. All Chaplains belong to the Reclusiam and there's a High Chaplain now (at least in the BA and SM 'dex).

 

[MidnightSun]

I don't think people expected to be able to choose which Iron Priest profile suited their list more, either :laugh:

In fairness, that was a stop-gap for the week in between WD and Curse of the Wulfen; as an actual proper release book, I doubt Angels of Death will have such measures in it

 

[ntaw]

^ Isn't it still the case though, SW players are free to choose whether they want to rock either the CotW HQ option or the C:SW Elites choice?

 

[ntaw]

 

[Tyriks]

Where do you get these arcane glimpses before stuff gets released?

 

[LordOfTheWolves]

Technomancy?
My iron wolves rune priests are trembling with anticipation.

 

[jams]

Interesting that there's a separate entry for the deathwatch on that reference card when the named librarian in the boxed game is restricted to biomancy powers only...