[ArchangelPaladin]

I’m new to 40k and I’m trying to put together a solid 1500 pt list. In trying to do so I had some questions pop up.(Also if this is the wrong forum to post this in let me know, general didn’t seam like the right place.)

For tactical squads their load out says they have bolter pistols. Does that mean that if I’m ever in a spot where assaulting with them is actually smart I can have them use the pistols to fire before the assault?

For 1500 pts how many Tactical Squads w/ Rhinos is enough? Right now I’m planning to field three but I’d like to drop it down to two to free up some points if possible.

I’ve read some post about how fielding a single lascannon predator is a bad idea because it’ll attract too much fire, so am I correct in assuming that they should be deployed in pairs?

For Rhinos and Fire Points, the rules say that if the Rhino moved then the squad inside has moved, does that mean that if the rhino moves then any heavy weapons, like a missile launcher, can’t fire? Also can I spilt a tactical squad into 2 combat squads and still deploy them inside the same rhino so I can split their fire?

And finally the really big question for me is, terminators vs. assault marines. Which one do you guys like better? I only have enough points left for a 5 man terminator squad or a full strength assault squad. I know terminators will always bring the hurt, but in my mind they face the challenge of actually getting close enough to an enemy to actually use those power fists of theirs to use. And so far I’ve been able to use assault marines to great effect as long as I use them wisely by making sure they get the bonus extra attack and not use them against enemy elites.

Thanks guys.

 

[Cruor99]

I’m new to 40k and I’m trying to put together a solid 1500 pt list. In trying to do so I had some questions pop up.(Also if this is the wrong forum to post this in let me know, general didn’t seam like the right place.)

For tactical squads their load out says they have bolter pistols. Does that mean that if I’m ever in a spot where assaulting with them is actually smart I can have them use the pistols to fire before the assault?

If you want them to assault, then fire the bolt pistols!

For 1500 pts how many Tactical Squads w/ Rhinos is enough? Right now I’m planning to field three but I’d like to drop it down to two to free up some points if possible.

With combat squads, you could get 4 scoring units with 2 Tactical squds.
3 Should do fine, but don't take my word on this not being a dedicated SM player.

I’ve read some post about how fielding a single lascannon predator is a bad idea because it’ll attract too much fire, so am I correct in assuming that they should be deployed in pairs?

Same goes for Vindicators!

For Rhinos and Fire Points, the rules say that if the Rhino moved then the squad inside has moved, does that mean that if the rhino moves then any heavy weapons, like a missile launcher, can’t fire? Also can I spilt a tactical squad into 2 combat squads and still deploy them inside the same rhino so I can split their fire?

Only one of the combat squads can inhabit the vehicle, because they will be two different squads. And only one squad can inhabit the Rhino.
And yes, if the Rhino moves, heavy weapons can not fire.

And finally the really big question for me is, terminators vs. assault marines. Which one do you guys like better? I only have enough points left for a 5 man terminator squad or a full strength assault squad. I know terminators will always bring the hurt, but in my mind they face the challenge of actually getting close enough to an enemy to actually use those power fists of theirs to use. And so far I’ve been able to use assault marines to great effect as long as I use them wisely by making sure they get the bonus extra attack and not use them against enemy elites.

Assault terminators with storm shield really put the hurt to the enemy. But as you said, the problem is getting them there. Consider getting them a Land Raider!

Thanks guys.

Hope this helped a bit

 

[Azezel]

I’m new to 40k and I’m trying to put together a solid 1500 pt list. In trying to do so I had some questions pop up.(Also if this is the wrong forum to post this in let me know, general didn’t seam like the right place.)

For tactical squads their load out says they have bolter pistols. Does that mean that if I’m ever in a spot where assaulting with them is actually smart I can have them use the pistols to fire before the assault?

That's correct.

For 1500 pts how many Tactical Squads w/ Rhinos is enough? Right now I’m planning to field three but I’d like to drop it down to two to free up some points if possible.

You'll want at least three scoring units at 1'500. a 5-man combat squad has little staying power (and is worth a kill point on its own), but will do in a pinch.

I’ve read some post about how fielding a single lascannon predator is a bad idea because it’ll attract too much fire, so am I correct in assuming that they should be deployed in pairs?

In general, you don't need two of a hypothetical unit, but you do need two (or more!) that can do a hypothetical job. If your ranged anti-tank is composed solely of that pred, you have problems.

For Rhinos and Fire Points, the rules say that if the Rhino moved then the squad inside has moved, does that mean that if the rhino moves then any heavy weapons, like a missile launcher, can’t fire? Also can I spilt a tactical squad into 2 combat squads and still deploy them inside the same rhino so I can split their fire?

Only one squad (plus attached characters) may ride in any vehicle. If the vehicle moved, then the heavy weapons inside may not be used.

And finally the really big question for me is, terminators vs. assault marines. Which one do you guys like better? I only have enough points left for a 5 man terminator squad or a full strength assault squad. I know terminators will always bring the hurt, but in my mind they face the challenge of actually getting close enough to an enemy to actually use those power fists of theirs to use. And so far I’ve been able to use assault marines to great effect as long as I use them wisely by making sure they get the bonus extra attack and not use them against enemy elites.

Assault terminators (Thunder Hammer & Stormshield) aren't broken but they're bloody close to it. Let's just say that, for their points they are an effective unit.

Thanks guys.

And this probably is the place to post these questions.

 

[ArchangelPaladin]

Thanks a lot guys!

So your answers have me thinking, and I have a few extra questions.

Can I split a full tactical squad into two combat squads and them give each a razorback as a dedicated transport and deploy them in their razorbacks? Or would I only be able to deploy one combat squad in a razor back and the other razorback and combat squad would have to be deployed separately?

And would 3 or 4 razorbacks with lascannon and twin plasma be a suitable alternative for two las-ed up preds?

 

[Champion Auzias]

Yeah, it's one razer per squad. Would be really nice though if we really could just combat squad and get two razors, for the sheer annoyance of extra metal boxes.

And as for loadout.. It's iffy. I've seen alot of people in my area like the Las and plasmas, but some people still like Twin-linked Las.. It's really up to you. Depends what you are up against, really.

 

[Stockholm]

another thing to remember is that the two models shooting out the rhino while its moving can shoot meltaguns, plasmaguns and plasma pistols. as well as the storm bolter rhinos automatically gets. remember that when you've got three tactical squads and rhinos.

and yes assault terminators are the way to go. thunder hammers are not totally awesome. they can be handy against mech and stunning daemon princes to initiative 1, but what's really great is having a 3-4 guys with 2+3+ saves to throw wounds on and let them negate them. they are always better with a, awesome in it's own right, land raider.

 

[don_mondo]

Thanks a lot guys!

So your answers have me thinking, and I have a few extra questions.

Can I split a full tactical squad into two combat squads and them give each a razorback as a dedicated transport and deploy them in their razorbacks? Or would I only be able to deploy one combat squad in a razor back and the other razorback and combat squad would have to be deployed separately?

Nope. Only one dedicated transport per squad. So if you combat squad the tac squad, then one combat squad will not have a ride, unless you use land raiders from heavy support choices or some such.

 

[jaws900]

I’m new to 40k and I’m trying to put together a solid 1500 pt list. In trying to do so I had some questions pop up.(Also if this is the wrong forum to post this in let me know, general didn’t seam like the right place.)

For tactical squads their load out says they have bolter pistols. Does that mean that if I’m ever in a spot where assaulting with them is actually smart I can have them use the pistols to fire before the assault?
Yes they can and often rather unseful if you know you cna take them. Taking out Tau this way is better as Tau would possibly out shoot you even at close range. Shoot them with pisols and assualt weapons and then charge on in.

For 1500 pts how many Tactical Squads w/ Rhinos is enough? Right now I’m planning to field three but I’d like to drop it down to two to free up some points if possible.
In my 1500pts armys i have none, not even my 2000pts armys. However i will say that it's bes tto take transports in groups of 2+ so to devide your oppoents fire power

I’ve read some post about how fielding a single lascannon predator is a bad idea because it’ll attract too much fire, so am I correct in assuming that they should be deployed in pairs?
As i have mentioned in the above post taking these units in 2+ units slits fire power and i useful. I can't sya much however as i don't and have never run Preditors so don't know how effective they are/can be. My suggestion is to run them in pairs or if you have lots of Landraiders a single one will be fine. Your oppoents will be too consered taking out your 2-3 Landriaders than your lonley Preditor.

For Rhinos and Fire Points, the rules say that if the Rhino moved then the squad inside has moved, does that mean that if the rhino moves then any heavy weapons, like a missile launcher, can’t fire? Also can I spilt a tactical squad into 2 combat squads and still deploy them inside the same rhino so I can split their fire?
If a Rhino moves the the contence of it also move. So only Assault, Pisotl and Rapid fire weapons(at short range) can fire from a Rhino's hatch if it has moved.

And finally the really big question for me is, terminators vs. assault marines. Which one do you guys like better? I only have enough points left for a 5 man terminator squad or a full strength assault squad. I know terminators will always bring the hurt, but in my mind they face the challenge of actually getting close enough to an enemy to actually use those power fists of theirs to use. And so far I’ve been able to use assault marines to great effect as long as I use them wisely by making sure they get the bonus extra attack and not use them against enemy elites.
Depends. Assualt Marines are fast and far better agianst the horde armys while Termintors are tank and Elite killers and har to move. From what you say about your list you only have about 200pts left over and taking a normal Termintor squad wouldn't be best as you really neeed about 250pts to get them at there full(taking heavy wepaons and Chain fists). Assault Termintors are possibly the most feared unit in the Imperial armys(atleast in standard games) however they are slow and easily avoided my fast armys like Eldar or white Scars. Most people will take a Landraider with them to deliver them to where they need to go however you can't really do that. So after all that i suggest taking the Assualt Marines. I would suggest tryign to give the Sergeant atleast melta bombs or even better a powerfist if you can afford it and in my personal opion stear clear of plasma pistols. Other wise they would be good. However if you feel you need more anti-tank there is no reason you can't have foot slogging Storm shield termintors.

Thanks guys.

No problems
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[CLT40k]

OK, I feel a little dirty for doing this... but check out Kriby's blog.. there is a section there on army composition....

Here's the addy: http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/p/armies-in-5th-edition-articles.html

In all seriousness though... he has a lot of good info.