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There are some kinda... illogical areas of Chaos fluff, 2 which strongly come to mind...

Firstly; How is Abaddon not a Daemon Prince.. I can only assume that Daemonhood makes you Strong/Bigger/Scarier, And i'm absolutely Certain Abaddon has earnt it.

Why was Horus not a Daemon Prince, especially as he was the 1st Person to achieve Blessing of all 4 gods. If He had been promoted to DaemonHood, he would surely have topped The Emperor, because DaemonHood is said to make you strong/more powerful, ect.

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If Daemons are created in the warp, Why dosn't Khorne just go.

"Right, 1,000,000,000 Bloodthirsters on terra, This should be fun"
"Oh and The Unbound One, you can also go there, your pretty Hench"

followed by Nurgle tagging in saying; "Oh, have some help, Endless hordes of Plague Bearers."

I don't know if i've mis-understood how Daemon summoning works, But i'm sure that they can just be summoned into Champions.

Thirdly and Finally; Khorne's Sacred sword is described as to have such immense Power that it can destroy worlds in a single blow.

Am i missing something, or can He not just smite Terra once and for all.
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I know if all this was true, Then chaos would just win everything no contest. but i like chaos, and i want them to win.

My point is, this stuff needs to be explained to me, because it annoys me how restricted us Chaos are :D
 

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im pretty sure horus and abbadon didnt want to be princes also it would take alot of energy to make that many daemons more than the chaos gods have and khorne is not corporeal enough to smite terra
 

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What do you mean Khornes not "Corporeal Enough", Hesthe most powerful chaos god, The oldest; The god of Blood, War and everything else related to mass slaughter and unkempt Anihilation.

And besides, if the metaphor states he could destroy worlds with 1 blow, I doubt it matters what that planet is called, or whats on it. A Planet is a Planet :p

In a realistic Battle, chaos would win so easily, and Space marines and IG would have been wiped out Along time ago. The only reason that hasn't happened, is that GW Make alot of money from SM. :p
 

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While the chaos gods are exceedingly powerful, it is my understanding that their power exists only in the immaterium. Hence they cant take physical form in the materium and go stomping on worlds as you are suggesting.

Deamons are created from a portion of their parent god's power, so if khorne decided it would be funsies to make 100000000000 bloodthirsters, im sure that would weaken him quite alot leaving him vulnerable to the other chaos gods

and perhaps the chaos powers do not even wish to destroy the imperium, afterall most deamon princes (esp the primarch ones) tend to stay in the eye of terror minding their own affairs
 

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Firstly; How is Abaddon not a Daemon Prince.. I can only assume that Daemonhood makes you Strong/Bigger/Scarier, And i'm absolutely Certain Abaddon has earnt it.
screwing up every crusade you launch and missing an entire planet with the most powerful ship based weapon around are 2 very good reason not to be a daemon, but instead a spawn.

abbadon the despoiler?, more like abbadon the slightly angry kitten
 

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As for the DP, Horus died to soon, most of the primarchs became dp after the HH, but DP aren't my field. Not to mention most DP are stuck in the eye of terror.
 

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corporeal means solid khorne isnt solid enough to attack terra he only has power in his domain
 

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im sure its more along the lines of horus and abaddon been more useful as mortal servents then daemon princes, as it takes a lot of effort for a daemon prince to become corporeal in the material realm
its the same again for khorne it prob takes alot of effort to create his daemona dn allow them into the material realm, and prob whats also stoppping khorne from shattering earth is the emperor,
 

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screwing up every crusade you launch and missing an entire planet with the most powerful ship based weapon around are 2 very good reason not to be a daemon, but instead a spawn.

abbadon the despoiler?, more like abbadon the slightly angry kitten
To be fair, he's taking on a fairly Big target.
 

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To be fair, he's taking on a fairly Big target.
exactly, further reinforcing his FAIL combat doctrine, its like shooting a pistol at the earth while on its surface and missing.

he should just get his bolter and shoot himself.........except he'd miss then as well probably.
 

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it's nothing like that.

Your making it out as if hes got a bigger force and failing.

Hes attacking the most defended Planet in the galaxy, with a relatively small force comparing to the defending side.

And defenders have the advantage, because its on their home turf, and they'll have like bases, with huge defensive weaponry.

And the annoying truth is that abaddon wont ever win, because that would be the end of IG and Sm.

It really bugs me how restricted chaos are, and then you get a 12 year old Sm player come and say; "chaos sucks they can't win" When the truth is chaos would win hands down.
 

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Ok, they didn't want to become DP because they are more useful as they were. Tbh, how much work have the other princes done? I know of two who are actually active, angron and magnus, and the rest are to buisy jacking off on a pleasure world or praying. Once a being accends to daemon hood they lose all sense of purpose other than that of their god(s). And, tbh, Horus was more powerful with the makes of all the gods than any of the daemon primarchs.


And Abbadon won't win because the gods don't want him to.
 

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One advantage of abbadon being mortal is that he can't be banished to the warp by some stupid grey knights like angron was on armaggedon:p
Also the chaos gods don't want to kill to many humans because in the end the SMs and ig make the chaos gods stronger by killing and fighting etc...
Finally the daemon princes stay in the eye of terror so that SM players have an excuse as for why they haven't been pounded into the dirt yet:p
 

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Firstly; How is Abaddon not a Daemon Prince.. I can only assume that Daemonhood makes you Strong/Bigger/Scarier, And i'm absolutely Certain Abaddon has earnt it.

Why was Horus not a Daemon Prince, especially as he was the 1st Person to achieve Blessing of all 4 gods. If He had been promoted to DaemonHood, he would surely have topped The Emperor, because DaemonHood is said to make you strong/more powerful, ect.
Abaddon has earned the right to ascend many times over but he refuses it each and every time, his anger and bitterness are still as potent as during the Heresy and he won't withdraw from mortal concerns until Terra is a burning husk and he's gnawed on the Emperor's bones.
Horus was just never offered it, the same as the rest of the Primarchs during the Heresy- they were required to operate in the mortal realm and becoming a daemon would have been counter-productive for the Warmaster.
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If Daemons are created in the warp, Why dosn't Khorne just go.

"Right, 1,000,000,000 Bloodthirsters on terra, This should be fun"
"Oh and The Unbound One, you can also go there, your pretty Hench"

followed by Nurgle tagging in saying; "Oh, have some help, Endless hordes of Plague Bearers."

I don't know if i've mis-understood how Daemon summoning works, But i'm sure that they can just be summoned into Champions.
Well daemons can only emerge on a planet when a rift is opened, which can only happen when the layer between the materium and immaterium is made so thin as to make a rift possible (rituals and summoning being one of those ways) but with the Emperor's presence the layer between the 2 realms is impossibly thick to create a rift unless there is a huge chaos army already killing in the name of the Dark Gods on Terra- i.e. the Siege of Terra.

Thirdly and Finally; Khorne's Sacred sword is described as to have such immense Power that it can destroy worlds in a single blow.

Am i missing something, or can He not just smite Terra once and for all.
His weapon is incredibly powerful but as has been said the Gods are not like their daemons, they're a part of their realms- the bone fields of Khorne are as much a part of him as his physical manifestation, they can't leave the warp. Any planets smashed by the sword (unless it's just a description of how ruinous the weapon could be) would be those swallowed whole by the immaterium.


Abaddon hasn't failed with all his Crusades, I couldn't tell the you the objectives for most of them but he won with his 12th Crusade- the intention of which was to take possession of or neutralise the Blackstone Fortresses.
 

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One advantage of abbadon being mortal is that he can't be banished to the warp by some stupid grey knights like angron was on armaggedon:p
Yep.... This way he can only be killed and totally removed from the game... Oh shit that's not better!
 

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Chaos can't win becouse they don't want to.

lets assume chaos takes over the Galaxy, ok now what? Khone is the god of war not victory victory means there no enemy, nothing to kill to war against. and even loyal marines are dange "killy" Nurgle is the god of death but if he wins and kill everything, there nothing left to kill. but some imperium worlds are, dang hellesh (I will ignore his split persinlity). Slaanesh is the god of exuse, but there a Exuse to the Imperium (every seen what the sisters of battle do to them selfs for the Empoure:scare:) Tzeentch is the god of sceames, if he wins no more sceams. and Inqusitors have some all the time.
to boil this down the the Imperium feeds the choas gods as much as true chaos servents by its mere existences, a good anlog is a quto from Codex Witch hunters, "it is here that there beliefs come full circle to become a dark mirror of the Ultra Radicals"
chaos won't win becuse if they did they would lose the part of the Imperium that feeds them, like sour and sweet they taste diffrent and can be equlely enjoyable but a life time of one or the other gets old fast.
 

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When the truth is chaos would win hands down.
not when they leave a moron who can't hit a planet sized object in charge they won't, thats gonna stick with abbadon until he eventually dies, after failing the 100th black crusade and chaos FINALLY turns the useless angst ridden twerp into a spawn who gets close combated to death by Kharn and typhus driving the planet killer into his spawn face before leading the 101st crusade to victory faster than posh spice slaps on the fake tan.
 

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Chaos can't win becouse they don't want to.

lets assume chaos takes over the Galaxy, ok now what? Khone is the god of war not victory victory means there no enemy, nothing to kill to war against. and even loyal marines are dange "killy" Nurgle is the god of death but if he wins and kill everything, there nothing left to kill. but some imperium worlds are, dang hellesh (I will ignore his split persinlity). Slaanesh is the god of exuse, but there a Exuse to the Imperium (every seen what the sisters of battle do to them selfs for the Empoure:scare:) Tzeentch is the god of sceames, if he wins no more sceams. and Inqusitors have some all the time.
to boil this down the the Imperium feeds the choas gods as much as true chaos servents by its mere existences, a good anlog is a quto from Codex Witch hunters, "it is here that there beliefs come full circle to become a dark mirror of the Ultra Radicals"
chaos won't win becuse if they did they would lose the part of the Imperium that feeds them, like sour and sweet they taste diffrent and can be equlely enjoyable but a life time of one or the other gets old fast.
Lol I see where you're going with this, but I think it misses the mark a bit.

If Chaos ruled the galaxy, Khorne could finally turn his attention to the upstart cowardly whelp, Slaanesh. He'd be more than happy to kill Slaaneshi babies, followed by the scheming, filthy magic-using Tzeentch worshipers. Tzeentch wants to control the universe; that is his big scheme. Once its conquered, he could turn it into a massive Maze, like his home in the Warp, and mindfuck all creation for the rest of eternity. Sounds like fun, doesn't it? Nurgle - same thing applies as Khorne. All he's concerned with is decay and hugging his servants, whether they be Imperial dogs or servants of the other Gods. Slaanesh would be killed by Khorne, or perhaps Ynnead if all the Eldar died and their prophecy came true.

I will agree, however, that they probably gain some pleasure from converting Imperials. Especially Slaaneshi.

I know OP likes Chaos and wants Chaos to steamroll everything, but they can't. The best chance they have is working together as Chaos Undivided, but that's rare. And so the galaxy survives.
 

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Tzeentch wants to control the universe; that is his big scheme. Once its conquered, he could turn it into a massive Maze, like his home in the Warp, and mindfuck all creation for the rest of eternity. Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
Bzzt. Tzeentch has no end-game plan. If he did, and he achieved it, well that's the end of his scheming, isn't it? His plots self-perpetuate because that's what he is and wants to be. He doesn't want to create a maze or any other bullshit like that; he just wants to play an endless chess game with the entire universe.
 
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