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Hey guys, been a while since I posted but I've been buried with work. Anyways, I'm currently working on a 600pt blood ravens list and I'm at a loss on what I'd rather use. A unit of three centurions, where the sergeant has a lascannon, missiles and omniscope and the other two are standard. Or alternatively a storm talon with typhoon missiles and a couple extra marines. (the points haven't been written yet as I'm waiting on a codex, but my general idea is a captain, 10/15 marines to account for both troop choices, an aegis line with lascannon then either the centurions or storm talon) i havent set any upgrades yet apart from the aegis so that I can keep points open for the centurions or storm talon - if I've made any mistakes, please let me know and if you have any points, please let me know :) cheers guys!
 

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I personally am not a fan of Centurions and I love the talon so that's an easy one for me. And the more marines the better since objectives play such a large role now.
 

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What chapter tactics do you think you'd take for the BR? I'm not even sure where they draw geneseed from. At 600 points the more marines you have on the table the better, and a Stormtalon comes in soonest T2.
 

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Im thinking of taking imperial fists chapter tactics for the extra bolter power - cause my armies very static
so the stormtalon's faster but the centurions are on the board from turn one and carry slightly more firepower than the stormtalon, but centurions are more expensive in terms of cash and points. the thing i need to fix in my army is the lack of range support i can give for my storm talon. whereas if i take centurions i can sit them with the rest of my army where they can support each other.
 

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Not sure how you or your buddies feel about FW, but they came out with some new and interesting chapter tactics. I don't feel they're over powered but definitely different and useful. I'll attach the PDF if it'll let me.
 

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they don't let you run FW stuff at the nottingham tournemants im afraid, they only allow codex stuff. BR would probably use any psychic based chapters tactics - eg thousand sons. - but then there are only a very limited amount of chapter tactics, so i went for the one that would benefit my units most. because my armies gonna be sat at the back of the map, and wait for the enemy to come to me, i thought give my bolters an extra bite.
 

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but the problem with that is that you have to sink points, shoot the same target and make that unit specialise. (though centurions can shoot different targets theyre still a point sink i imagine?) im trying to think what would be of greater benefit to my army
 

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Do Centurions have Split Fire? I didn't notice that. Upon looking in to it, they don't...so where do you get this from:

though centurions can shoot different targets theyre still a point sink i imagine?
Also, I'd wager the versatility of 4 frag templates for squads and 4 krak missiles with the Tank Hunter special rule would be a decent addition to any army using the IF tactics.
 

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The centurion sergeant can take an omniscope allowing him to split fire, that's why he's got the lascannons
The 10 man marines have a rocket launcher and flakk rounds
 

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I was thinking iron hands chapter tactics if I get the stormtalon for the it will not die regeneration on characters and vehicles, and imperial fist chapter tactics if I take centurions.
 

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At 600 points to start:

Centurions are 220 as you've listed and take up more than a third of your points.

5 man Devastator squad w/ 4x ML is 130.

Both are buffed by IF tactics and really...if you're going for a small army I'd say bodies matter more than cool models. I am hard pressed to spend that kind of chunk of my points on 3 models that don't have invulnerable saves unless I have enough other high priority targets to take the heat off.....ie at 1K+.

My two cents, but you see the quote below this :laugh:
 

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Here is my theory and development of my 600pt army if it helps

 

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Every time I feel like buying up scouts to make a scout army I play my Necrons, so here's a 600 point IF list I mocked up in case I ever play smaller games. I know you said you want to use Centurions or a Stormtalon, but at this points level...I dunno. You could rock the Stormtalon instead of the Devastators, but having them down T1 speaks volumes if you miss a reserves roll. Or if your opponent gets that bitch Warlord Trait that gives you -1 to your reserve rolls. I love me a cheap good flier, but if someone decides to bring a Heldrake out you're pretty fucked anyway. Best to have the shots up front over waiting for them in that scenario.

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2x 10 man Tactical squad w/ PG & Rhino

5 man Devastator squad w/ 4x ML

Bolster Defenses on the cover I deploy the Devs in, Rhinos work as a group to level one flank and move in across to secure the other if needed while the MLs harass everything else. MotF hangs out with the Devs in case anyone tries to get up in their grill.

When you're referring to a Mortis Dreadnought, do you just mean a Dread w/ 2x TLACs? Only DA and DA successors can take the one that has Skyfire....which is reeeeaaaaally the only time I like playing a Dreadnought with TLACs. Maybe I'm spoiled by my Furiosos.


EDIT: I just noticed the click here within the click here. That scout list actually looks cool, didn't mean to knock that with my Necrons comment.
 

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When you're referring to a Mortis Dreadnought, do you just mean a Dread w/ 2x TLACs? Only DA and DA successors can take the one that has Skyfire....which is reeeeaaaaally the only time I like playing a Dreadnought with TLACs. Maybe I'm spoiled by my Furiosos.


EDIT: I just noticed the click here within the click here. That scout list actually looks cool, didn't mean to knock that with my Necrons comment.
Yeah thats what i meant, i still refer to the Mortis as the original one a long time ago before Skyfire haha.

Dont worry i took no offense from it at all. Im actually in Canada at the moment and its true you all say Sorry far to often ;-) 600points is a really specialised type of army and your list would do just as well as mine i feel.
 

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Dont worry i took no offense from it at all. Im actually in Canada at the moment and its true you all say Sorry far to often
Fuckin' tell me about it, eh?!

I like the scout list, but I'd much rather wait for you to post about it's success/failure over trying to play it myself. It seems pretty squishy considering the level competition other armies can still manage at this points level.
 

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Fuckin' tell me about it, eh?!

I like the scout list, but I'd much rather wait for you to post about it's success/failure over trying to play it myself. It seems pretty squishy considering the level competition other armies can still manage at this points level.
I have been here 4 months and have started to say 'eh' myself.

There is no doubt it is not the most durable army but i dont play Marines like that, see my 1500 Point list for example, but who else can say they have a Raptor chapter scout force (I think that image is just so cool) At 600 Points the top army has to be Chaos as a Helldrake goes from phenomenal to out of this league. My scout list is just well rounded and can handle its own but is no way the most competitive 600 point list. Im just hoping Tom 310 can take some of my ramblings&theories and apply to his own list.
 
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