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As the title says I decided after some thought that when i made my Imperial Guard army I would be attempting to honor a character and the unit he served with from several books i had been reading (Ciaphas Cain). As such I had started collecting pieces and information from wherever i can about his unit and even going so far as pulling some elements from the 12th Artillery that he served with to fill in my artillery pieces. As for tanks and armor I had planned on using the numbers from a Valhallan armor company from one of the books.

I have so far done a few units and attempting to get both male and female valhallans along with other pieces to make it more themed. I have never painted humans or even human-esk characters before and im not the greatest artist but any comments or suggestions are welcome and if anyone knows of where to get things that can help or even pieces that maybe I missed feel free to let me konw.



I am trying to get a better image of the troopers. I am working on cain himself using a Lord Commisar as a base but swapping out weapons. Trying to find a las pistol now that i realized I forgot to change it. Also I am looking for any thoughts on Jurgen. He is sooo hard to come up with a matching looking base to begin with.
 

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Stat line wise i haven't given to much thought on the custom characters for now since Im still developing the list for the army so that it vaguely matches things while still being an army i can play against others. At the moment i think i might have a valhallan with a melta but no salamander to fit with it. And for Jurgen i want to do the honors and try and make him a bit more bulky and 'nurglish' than normal since well Jurgen could make an ork scream ugly lol.

Also i have a valkyrie that im building and going to paint in the colors of the Navy. My only problem is I don't know the fleet number of the one that would most likely be near where Cain or the Valhallans would have been. If anyone knows that it would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Just a small update, Commisar Cain is almost done and I should have a few pics of him up soon. I used the lasgun from the command squad set and a space marine scout chainsword on a Lord Commisar figure i picked up. Jurgen is being planned and I hope to get the pieces ordered so that I can start work on him.

I have debated doing Amberly and may make her in the guise of using a model i had just gotten my hands on. She is a commisar (in looks) but I could change a few things in painting to make her looks closer to our beloved Inquisitor. She will have a large sword and a drum stubber but hey >_> one day she might get to use one!.

As stated the Commisar should have pics up soon and maybe a the Valkyrie will be done by then too.
 

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Had to tell much from the pictures but from what I can see they look nice. Looking forward to seeing some more soon.
 

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Well i managed to get the better camera and took a few shots of the soldiers in various states of being painted. Also a few of Commisar Cain and the Valkyrie before it is finished being painted. (I managed to get one where you can see his metal fingers)



The soldier from earlier with a better shot:



The beginning of Inqusitor Vail:


Lastly the valkyrie:




Thats the end of the pics for now. Hope to get more up once they are properly finished. Any comments or tips are welcome. (Yes i know my painting skills are not high)
 

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Been a little busy but I managed to finish most of the painting and a little of the wash to Valkyrie. Ive never done a vehicle before so i know people will see problems with it. Ive been trying to learn everything from using washes to getting the hang of understanding how best to use highlighting techniques.

I would be thankful for any C&C that people can give to improve it.




Also managed to get my Sergent done for my first squad.


 

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A WIP post since ive been busy with a few things in life. I just got in a large influx of Valhallan troops and my order for female torso and heads arrived too. (Shadowforge). Im cleaning them and ive never used them before so the first three i did came out with a bit of an odd position in the heads.





a few shots of ones put together, including Colonel Kasteen


 

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As far as I can tell you have a nice even coat of green on the Valk. Thats a great start in my opinion. However, I can't advise really on vehicles because I have a mental block or something for painting them...one day I will conquer it.
 

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Thanks for the comment about the Valkyrie, its the first time ive done a vehicle (ya I chose a fairly hard one to start with lol) but I had only a hand brush to work with so I worried over streaks and imperfections. Add to that the fact that my highlighting and drybrushing skills are sub par and I worry on how it would turn out.

Its why i decided to post here and see if people could give me tips ^^. And i hope that you can get over that problem!
 

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Just a another quick update since i haven't done one in a while and ive been slacking a bit on putting stuff together.  I appologize greatly >_< Thou i dunno if anyone has been keeping up but that being said!

I have been assembling (and disassembling) stuff that I got with my large package and have been putting together weapons teams. I dont have any pictures of them yet but once i get them put together (and some paint stripped from models) ill put them up.  


On to the important things! I recently got the order having the bits for making my Jurgen.



I think they look really good and while looking for a kinda larger body frame for him I came across some ork bodies with coats.  I decided to give them a shot and they arrived today.  I had debated on using an ogryn’s head with this but i decided against it and with a bit of cutting And some difficult hand choices I have introduce Gunner Jurgen!.


I like the hunched look of it, thou i worried about the arm since i couldn’t decide between one where i green stuff some hanles to make them reach or go with the lasgun slung one.  I decided on the lasgun but any critic on it is welcome.  Also in the background you can see some of the staging area for the weapons teams that haven’t been assembled and stripped of paint from their old colors.

Thats all for now, hopefully i get the command squad done and Jurgen primed and painted so he can join Cain as he usually would.  Also does anyone know a good place to get a salamander from for a good price!XD

((Sorry for the text changing part way through post, my language Button turned to different style of english >_< trying to change it back now!))
 

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They are and actually I wanted him to look slightly mutated. I dunno if i went to far but every one of the stories i read he was either ugly enough to scare most anything in the universe (cain's comment) or considered to be on the level of a nurgling. I felt that he was sorta like a hunchback image so i thought the larger ork frame would do well to represent this but I wanted a coat look to match the Valhallan look.

Would it have been better to use maybe a Valhallan head? lol
 

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Hmm, I'm curious since you wanted Jurgen to be shorter than Cain, how does this scale to the Cain pictured earlier?

As for the rest of him--I think the underslung las is fine since Jurgen was always armed, sometimes a bit more than with what Cain was comfortable with.

I do have an issue with the helmet though. I'd strongly consider the Valhallan one (or greenstuff one onto the helmet).
 

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Here is a picture of the two side by side, he isn't as short as I wanted but because of the way the head sits he is shorter than Cain.



As for the head issue, i had debated over which head to use. If i want to use a valhallan head but i lack any spares that I could cut off without a better cutting tool. Ive never used greenstuff to try and make a hat. Ill see what i can come up with to make it look better.
 

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Well, having them side-by-side does really illustrate the differences in build. I'd have to say that you succeeded with a short, burly Jurgen to Cain's Hero of the Imperium good looks.
 

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I like Jurgen being too different. Remember on the table you are gonna have at least 70 models in a decent sized guard army - vehicles included - so if he is different he will stand out that little more so you can recognise him. Well done on the valk, I paint mine with just a brush and know how difficult it is to not get brush marks on the paint. Could do with a little colour to break up the green though it looks a little bland. Maybe some weathering, some boltgun on edges washed with badab or drybrush the edges more with a lighter green?
 

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@Hocky: I agree with the thought, i haven't added the decals yet as I can't find my knife to cut them. Are you suggesting something like making it look more worn by putting the bolt gun on the edges?

@TKK: Where do you find those templates? It looks interesting to try, if not on this Valkyrie maybe on the next one.


Im also curious how people go about making the engines look more used and like they have been fired up many times?
 
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