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A white raven appeared today and brought me a message - winter is coming ...

Warhammer 40k turns 30 years old next year. The new edition is due. The clock will be taken from 5 minutes to midnight to 1 minute to midnight with the return of the Daemonprimarchs - or will they return alone? This is the theme of the new setting - think
along the lines of 13th Black Crusade - but this time, it's serious. They want to get the same excitement as the community had during the End Times - without actually going as far as Age of Sigmar did.

Chaos fans - this is your hour. Stop beeing grudgy, there will be lots of love for all of you - renegades, former legions, daemon lovers.

The lore already start to unfold, with the Shield of Baal and Warzone Fenris - so we are already within the action. As usual, this is a bit of an early talk, so stay cool and take it with a tiny bit of salt.

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Considering that Warzone Fenris moved the timeline forward by bringing the 13th company back (and proving that the Dark Angels are even saltier than we expected when they get upset that the Space Wolves basically stole their schtick of showing up, doing something covert and leaving without actually saving anyone) I can believe this. Especially since Warzone Fenris is rumored to have a part 2 coming with plastic Thousand Sons and a Daemon Primarch Magnus.

Rumor is that Chaos will break ground on the update, which is pretty common (they did that a few times after all).
 

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Plumbing the original B&C for more breadcrumbs:

Atia said:
It already started with Warzone Fenris ^^

Keep watching around September/October
A D-B said:
Tyberos the Red Wake said:
Atia said:
think along the lines of 13th Black Crusade - but this time, it's serious.
The 13th Black Crusade was serious
Imagine if this is all true, it'll be even more seriouser. And I don't mean that in a silly way despite the phrasing: We're always at two minutes to midnight (which is a thematic thing rather than a chronological/actual date thing, so the "five minutes becoming one minute" thing is probably the saltiest/most misunderstood part in all this) but imagine an unrestrained Thirteenth Black Crusade spilling into the galaxy from the Eye, via the Crimson Path. Chaos not on the cusp of returning en masse, but actually in the midst of returning. Like several codexes and novels have conflictingly hinted.

(Maybe Abaddon might send one of his sorcerers to Terra to go talk to the Inquisition, and thereby narrate a first-person novel series. Who knows. That certainly seems like the kind of tone said narrator is trying to convey, though.)

The Thirteenth Black Crusade as it, well, would/could/should/might(?) have been. I'm guessing here so don't consider it insider's insight, but I suspect it'll be less about dates shifting, and more about pointing out just how seriously bad things are for the Imperium in the Time of Ending. That'll likely mean clarity/change/detail in terms of events getting redone, or showed more clearly, or new ones popping up, rather than "Oooh, new millennium!"

Retooling the final years of the Dark Millennium to show how things are going to Hell? I'd be so in for that. I've been trying to convey it for years, since the "stasis" some folks complain about has never been a thing for me. It's always seemed darker and more perilous than a lot of people take it (especially if you look at the last 10ish years of timeline events, with things like entire segmentums losing contact with Terra...), so ramming that point home would make my day.

EDIT: And, just for 100% clarity, no insider insight, so please don't quote me as part of the rumour. These changes seem like explaining/exploring the setting as it already is, though. Presenting it better. Not advancing the chronology.
And yes, that is THAT ADB. You know, the one who wrote a lot of the best non-Abnett 40k stuff.
 

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I'm not holding my breath, but hey, chaos can always use more love.

The only downside is if it becomes the flavor dujour and the power gamers/band wagoneers come in droves. That happened last time chaos was ascendant in 3.5.

Who knows. (crosses fingers)
 

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Hopefully this will be something that we can all get our teeth into seeing how events will unfold, who will re-appear or will we see an eldar god the laughing god make an appearence??

Chaos has really really needed this kind of a boost too as they could do with some more builds to their forces & we could find other older troops making a return, beastmen to the guard & chaos??
 

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Hah, I was talking with the staff in my local GW today about whether GW would do an EoT with 40k. They frowned and said, not likely any time in the next few years. Then I suggested that the primarchs could come back if they did. They were equally skeptical about anything primarch related.
If daemon Primarchs are unleashed...that opens a whole pandora's box.
 

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BoLS said:
SadPanda chimes in his take on what is occurring:

In response to this quaestion:

“Thousand Sons only need one boss man. Ahriman is finecast. Magnus will be plastic.”

He then went onto say went on to say:

You’ll have a plastic Ahriman before you’ll have a plastic Magnus. Probably painted in red though.

…As I was told (though it might be nonsense), the earliest sessions to start work on a new edition led to the decision to not update (for the most part) the Tau Codex and no longer re-do older books. Apparently they actually had more thorough rule-changes for the Tau, scrapped them, but still printed loads of not-new Tau Codex books because the printers were already booked, leading to the hybrid old/new Codex that is the Tau book.

But they are definitely working on a new edition. It just won’t be released in 2016, not least (as I heard) because they want to move the story and need time for that.”
If they held back rules changes to Tau, something tells me the next edition is going to be drastically different than this one, making those changes useless in the next year or so.
 

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Not to pick on your store employee, but the avg counter clerk knows nothing of what's coming while the sources for the rumor are both highly vetted rumor sources.

Just saying....
I'm sure you're right. But it is kind of sad that the store employees appear to be further down the chain in terms of knowing what's going on.
 

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That was about time.
Only thing that makes me sad: Slaanesh will be "missing in action" just like AoS. What better than to justify this with the return of some filthy eldar god, just like hinted many times in the lore? it will return and "consume" / exile Slaanesh, that will be missing for the foreseable future.
That way GW accomplish many things: advance time line, change the game and the fluff with a big and admittedly good twist and remove those lousy minis with boobs (taht are not selling anyway).
Mark my words. See you in 8th edition, with no slaanesh armies.
 

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Actually, the reasoning given by the GW staff as to why 40K wont feature such a dramatic change as Fantasy was this;

Fantasy took place on one world, with its land masses all drawn out and discovered (although the East was still a little mysterious). It was such a fixed world that it left designers little to do. It was difficult to add a new faction and tricky to change up units or add anything that was drastically different from what was already established. All that they could really do was bring out newer versions of older models. In creating the EoT and then AoS it gave them free reign to change everything and take things in totally new directions.

40K doesn't have this problem. There is a whole galaxy to play with. They can add new races without any issue and just say that they were hiding in some uncharted part of the galaxy. They can bring in new units and just say that an STD was discovered, or that some ancient Eldar phoenix lord came along or whatever. What 40K has that Fantasy didn't, is flexibility.
So there is really no need for any kind of EoT event as in Fantasy. They can keep to the established lore and just bring out another Black Crusade every few years.

I actually think that this makes a lot of sense. Doing an EoT on 40K isn't necessary. Sure, they can bring in some Daemon Primarchs and nothing really changes in the lore because we know that they sometimes make an appearance anyway. But as for progressing the timeline and perhaps killing/reviving the Emperor is just too dramatic a change for GW's main cash-cow. If your cow is giving you milk, you don't cut its legs off in the hope that it gives you even more milk.
So, we'll see some new units that are already cannon, but I doubt very much that the timeline will move much past where it's hit already.

Slaanesh is safe.
 

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...Fantasy took place on one world, with its land masses all drawn out and discovered (although the East was still a little mysterious). It was such a fixed world that it left designers little to do. It was difficult to add a new faction and tricky to change up units or add anything that was drastically different from what was already established. All that they could really do was bring out newer versions of older models...
While it has indeed opened the door for the designers to change things as they see fit, so far - not a whole lot of difference in the models, faction wise, than what they had in Fantasy.

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I still feel that if they went and said "hey, look we are not seeing a return on our investment for fantasy, so we're going to let it go out with a bang..." that GW would have gotten less flak for their decision rather than the silence that we got.
 
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