[Lord of the Night]

Rumours have been swirling around for a long time about the Chaos Space Marines and just what the hell GW is planning with them, it's been so long since they've have an actual update and felt as if GW is actually bothering to support them. Well some more rumours leaked last night regarding that, and they are promising if a bit salty.

-Tzeentch and Khorne will front the CSM revamp.
-The release pattern for CSM should be similar to that of Age of Sigmar, a move away from Chaos Undivided and focusing on what really makes Chaos distinct. Ie; The 4 Gods.
-The Cults will be expanded to the point they can form their own mini codexes with the Traitor Primarchs at their head.
-“We heard you liked your Rubics with guns, so we gave them swords instead.”
-Magnus and Angron will be the first Traitor Primarch releases.
-That doesn’t mean you won’t see some Undivided releases. You will, it is a full revamp of the range afterall. Just that releases will be themed ala Age of Sigmar stuff has.
-2017 will be good for 40k Khorne players.
-Infact alot of what the 2nd 40k End Times book is about, is Abbadon unleashing Kharn on the Imperium.
-Chill your beans, you’re getting new Rubics of several different varieties soon.

So apparantly 2017 will be the year of the Chaos Marine. We'll see multiple themed releases based around all four of the Chaos Gods, though as usual Khorne will be headlining but this time with Tzeentch sharing the stage. We'll see the Daemon Primarchs make their way to 40k with plastic releases, and the Rubricae Marines are getting a revamp with new options and kits. It seems the idea is to make the Khorne Berzerkers, Plague Marines, Noise Marines and Rubric Marines into their own miniature armies that can be led by the Daemon Primarchs, a thing I dearly hope is true as I would kill to be able to make a Slaaneshi CSM list with Fulgrim in command. Or a full Rubric Warband with Ahriman.

The Rubric however sound like the best part of this. Rubrics with guns are what we know, but melee armed Rubrics as well. Several varieties?? Does that mean Rubric Terminators and Dreadnoughts? The former has appeared in artwork once or twice since 40k's inception but they've never really had a concrete appearance in the lore, while the latter is an unknown value (what happened to the Sons Dreadnoughts? Did they go Rubric or were they safe from it? It's never been explored.) If a true Rubric army becomes possible, it is a definite buy for me.


LotN

 

[neferhet]

source? it seems realistic in some way...but... i dunno.

 

[Einherjar667]

Just spotted these on FB

And some more...

 

[Kreuger]

Interesting. I'm not really invested in what chaos is doing these days but I always look forward to new models.

The new lore almost always seems ridiculously apocalyptic as Abaddon gets up to his old tricks and Scooby-Doo and Shaggy need to stop him. Oh wait . . . wrong cartoon villain. Meh.

New models could be cool.

 

[ntaw]

I guess this picture is more relevant here:

Really stoked for this campaign.

 

[Fallen]

So I guess the new GW name for "Chaos Space Marines" is "Heretic Astartes"? Meh... I think "Excommunicate Traitoris" would be better.

----

I wonder what the Favored of Chaos box is...


----

Has anyone seen leaked pictures of the inside of Traitor's Hate?

 

[Einherjar667]

Wonder what Favoured of Chaos is

 

[DaisyDuke]

Supposedly the word on the street is its a prince and 15 possessed. But I don't know who would buy that. Not unless princes and possessed get a major boost.

 

[ntaw]

Supposedly the word on the street is its a prince and 15 possessed. But I don't know who would buy that. Not unless princes and possessed get a major boost.

They've been doing Formations for almost every multi-box kit that has been released, no? Buff or no buff it will likely be plug-and-play at least and make sense within the parameters of the new campaign I'd hope.

 

[DaisyDuke]

Well found this
C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg Photo by KhadorBlood | Photobucket
And it's not looking good from a formation standing

 

[DaisyDuke]

Is there even a change to Khan's rules that anyone can notice?

 

[ntaw]

Well found this
C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg Photo by KhadorBlood | Photobucket
And it's not looking good from a formation standing

What don't you like about the formations? They're getting pretty good reviews from most the people I've seen talking about it. I got given a decent size Chaos army, this has definitely given me some obvious avenues of expansion (based on what models I have vs. formation requirements) that I am pretty interested in.

 

[DaisyDuke]

Don't get me wrong there are some OK to good formations. The main problem chaos has is how much it costs for mediocrity.
But your right I should look to the good. Who doesn't want a fully ob-sec warband. Backed up by some raptors. I'm also going to make it rain with the kharne one.
I do have some issues with some of the others, but I'll wait to see the book before final judgment. Hopefully there will be some new relics.

 

[ntaw]

The Warband is pretty big, but three core choices! Load up on Cultists and take auxiliary formations as you want. Raptors and Warp Talons jumping into combat from Reserve will be sweet with or without charge bonuses.

I'd wager there's a lot not spoiled in the book but I've heard nothing of any new relics. At least you get four new psychic disciplines though..?

Much more needs to be spoiled for a real assessment for sure.

 

[neferhet]

The Warband is pretty big, but three core choices! Load up on Cultists and take auxiliary formations as you want. Raptors and Warp Talons jumping into combat from Reserve will be sweet with or without charge bonuses.

I'd wager there's a lot not spoiled in the book but I've heard nothing of any new relics. At least you get four new psychic disciplines though..?

Much more needs to be spoiled for a real assessment for sure.

no relics ighted, and psy disciplines are the same as the loyalists counterpart, with different names...so..yeah.

 

[ntaw]

Hey Nef, your links are broken. Fb is terrible to link to because they seemingly randomly switch the url of the picture, breaking links on forums left right and centre.

Also, just because they echo the same psychic trees doesn't mean it's all the same powers. Even if they were there's some great use in those tables.

 

[neferhet]

Hey Nef, your links are broken. Fb is terrible to link to because they seemingly randomly switch the url of the picture, breaking links on forums left right and centre.

Also, just because they echo the same psychic trees doesn't mean it's all the same powers. Even if they were there's some great use in those tables.

Hey ntaw, thanks!
I've deleted old post and here is a link to aphotobucket with said formation. this should work.
C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg Photo by KhadorBlood | Photobucket

About psy powers there has been many confirmations about the fact that they are the same with name changed, but we will see.

 

[ntaw]

Well, this is copy+pasted with different fluffage but the same core rules:

Nuts. Ah well, it does seem to be Khorne based. That Ahriman mini in plastic might just be a sign of some more love down the road for Chaos though.

 

[DkMiBuch]

That obliterator formation, Cul of Destruction, sounds pretty interesting.

You could just have one unit of three oblits, and two units of one with a single Warpsmith using the Empyrionic Guidance Rituals on the unit of three.

Think that would work, or too big of a cost?

 

[neferhet]

That obliterator formation, Cul of Destruction, sounds pretty interesting.

You could just have one unit of three oblits, and two units of one with a single Warpsmith using the Empyrionic Guidance Rituals on the unit of three.

Think that would work, or too big of a cost?

Well it's not like we are having 500 pts of free stuff like loyalist astrates but it can work :grin2:
sadly, the warpsmith is not cheap and it will also die swiftly if alone.
You must then put him in some unit for protection. I can see the lost and the damned working well in tandem with the obliterator formation.
at around 900 pts you have a warpsmith, an apostle, 60 respawning cultists and 5 nurgle oblits.
Add a fist of the gods with 3 vindicators and another warpsmith and we still are at less than 1500 pts, spare points to increase cultist units.
Actually not bad. not Eldar/Tau/Necron good, but not shit either!