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Mephiston-250

Elites:
3x San Priests- 3x JP-225
Furioso Libby- Wings, Shield or Lance-175

Troops:
10x Assault Marines-2x Melta, PF-235
10x Assault Marines-2x Melta, PF-235
10x Assault Marines-2x Flamer, PF-220

Fast Attack:
Baal Pred-Asscan, HB sponsons-145

Heavy Support:
Stormraven-Multi-Melta, Las, Ex Armor, Hurricane Bolters-245
Pred-Auto-cannon, Las sponsons-135
Pred-Auto-cannon, Las sponsons-135

The idea is to have a solid ranged threat while providing some close range punch. Mephiston and the Furioso both go into the raven which either deepstrikes or goes flat out at the enemy lines. The preds roll on, with the Baal in the middle. The Baal scouts forward to provide close in support for the assault squads while the auto/las preds hang back.
 

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Mephiston is designed to be in harms way ... what I have found to be most effective is to take a squad of Honor Guard with JP and PW to be his meat shield. There is very little in the 40K universe that should not fear him. Anything with a Daemon weapon will ruin his day, but most others will be schooled by him. If you run the Honor guard in front of him that gives him his 2+ reg. save and FNP for being within 6" of him and he can be right up their ass because he is not an IC so he can't join them.
 

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The only part of your list I have an issue with is the Stormraven. The weapons mix is... :scratchhead:.
Paying 30 extra points for the Hurricane sponsons just doesn't make a lot of sense based on the main gun choices. If you have Heavy Bolters or Typhoon MLs then it makes sense. Even if you had Plasma Cannons or Assault Cannons. But with Lascannon and Multi-meltas there is no synergy. It's not like the PotMS is going to fire the Lascannon at a tank while you use the other gun and Hurricanes to murder some infantry. Having only a single shot means Mutli-meltas are not the weapon of choice in that situation are they? Now if you had a pair of Frag missile blasts and the Hurricanes scything into a squad... Or better yet Assault Cannons and Hurricanes.:so_happy:

If you are set on the Las/Melta then use those points for a Locator Beacon and Extra Armor. That way you can always bring Mephiston's support units right to him before he disembarks. And, while expensive, EA will guarantee that you can get across the board.


Personally I've been really happy with my Stormraven's weapons mix.

Assault Cannons plus Typhoon Launchers are the most flexible combo we've got and I've even got mounting points for Hurricane Bolters on the cheeks of the forward fuselage. The Alpha Strike is just as effective against armored targets (4x S6 rending and 6 S8 (2x AP3 & 4x AP1) vs 1 S9, 1 S8 melta and 4x S8) and much, much stronger when facing infantry. Sure the TML is almost as expensive as the Hurricanes but the extra range and ability to toss a pair of Missiles in a single PotMS shot makes it worthwhile. Just a little something to consider.

Additional issue: Get those Priests some powered CCWs. Unless you destroy your opponent in the first round on combat they are going to get into BtB contact and their WS5 and A2 shouldn't be allowed to go to waste.
 

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Well the idea with putting Mephiston in the Stormraven is that I can move 24 inches across the board and still assault with him. I was considering trading the loadout on the 'Raven to the cannon/launcher combo which allows me to upgrade one of my auto/las Preds to a Baal w/HB. Unfortunately to take any PWs on my San. Priests I'd have to downgrade the Furioso Libby to a Furioso w/blood talons and EA and even then I'd only get two. I've play-tested at 1500 and the Libby version has done very well for me while I really try to keep the Priest's in roughly the center of my squads to get the FNP and FC bubbles while minimizing the amount of time they spend in CC.
 

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Can't be done. If you move over 12" the only way to get out of the SR is via "Skies of Blood" and even then you can't assault that game turn.
 

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You are right about that. Didn't think about it. My brother and I came up with this and it sounds fun.

HQ:
Librarian-Blood Lance, Unleash Rage, Termie Armor, SS-145

Elites:
San. Priest-JP-75
Furioso Librarian-I'm thinking between Wings, Lance, and Shield-175
5x Assault Terminators-3x TH/SS, 2x LC-215
Dedicated LRC- Assault Cannon, Melta, HB-260

Troops:
10x RAS-2x Melta, PF-235
5x RAS- Melta, PW, Remove packs-125
Dedicated Razorback-Assault Cannon-55
5x RAS- Melta, PW, Remove packs-125
Dedicated Razorback-Assault Cannon-55

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator-Assault Cannon, HB Sponsons-145
Baal Predator-Assault Cannon, HB Sponsons-145

Heavy Support:
Stormraven- Assault Cannon, MM, HB Sponsons
 

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New list does look better. One thing I'd offer to you though and it only drops jump packs. Put the large assault squad into the crusader, taking 35pts off the price of that, and put the terminators into the stormraven. It saves you 35pts but doesn't drop any units from your list, just changes the type of one unit.

The Priest Doesn't really need the jump pack really. Points could be better spent elsewhere, like extra armour for the land raider.

Also I wouldn't recommend wings on the librarian dread. that thing can cling to the back of the raven it doesn't need the wings. Shield is very good as the Dread's base is fairly big so it's 6" out from that.

You're better going with 2 baals as they don't work well on their own.
 

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I'd thought about switching them around, but the LR is more survivable than the Stormraven, and whichever takes the Terminators will draw alot of fire. Since the LRC packed w/ Terminators is such a big target I feel I can use it to more readily dictate my opponents game. The full RAS I can run one of two ways, 1) DSing and 2) combat squadding it, meltaciding the two meltas while the Sergeant, Priest, and the others go in the Stormraven. Keeping the packs and wings is attractive since they can be used in conjunction with SOB should I want to move the 'Raven flat out and still disembark.
 

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From what I understand the Stormraven cannot move further than the LR and have troops assault from it. Even then, part of the point of the terminator/LR combo is to be a fire magnet.
 

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I'd also go with the Terminators in the Raven. The extra mobility on turn 1 or when arriving from reserve is worth its weight in gold. Combined with Skies of Blood a 24" move with its 4++ cover save is easily worth those two points of armor. Not to mention the fact that the Dreadnought is right there with you suddenly giving the enemy 3 very hard targets to choose from when shooting.

Then you could give the Land Raider to one of the RAS. The 90 points savings could go to a ton of different options. For example you could put Extra Armor on the Raven, Raider and both Predators. Give the Sanguinary Priest a Lightning Claw and still have 15 points to play with.:eek:k:

And consider Might of Heroes for the Furioso Librarian. The extra 1d3 WS6 S10 attacks can make the difference between destroying that enemy squad or leaving the hidden power fist alive.
 

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I keep forgetting to clarify, I do have EA on the Stormraven. My fault for not putting that in. If I were to swap the terminators into the 'Raven, I'd probably follow Reevan's suggestion to put the full squad in the LR. I don't really want to lose the Assault Cannon that the half sqaud's Razorback gives me. But if I took the LRC as a dedicated transport for the full squad and drop the JP on the priest I do get 60 points to play with which I am now heavily considering. If I did switch, would Might and Shield be a good combo for the Furioso?
 
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