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+ Lords + (526pts)

* Vampire Lord (526pts)
(The Hunger (AB-27), Undead (AB-26), Vampiric (AB-26))
Great Weapon, Heavy Armour, Lore of the Vampires, Wizard Level 1, Zombie Dragon (Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Pestilential Breath (AB-49), Scaly Skin (5+) (BRB-75), Swarm of Flies (AB-49), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
* Magic Items
BRB - Armour of Silvered Steel


+ Heroes + (220pts)

* Necromancer (220pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Lore of the Vampires, Wizard Level 2
* Corpse Cart
(*Random Attacks (2D6) (BRB-74), Regeneration (BRB-74), Vigor Mortis (AB-40))
Unholy Lodestone (Unholy Lodestone (AB-40))


+ Core + (640pts)

* Crypt Ghouls (110pts)
(Poisoned Attacks (BRB-73), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 10x Crypt Ghoul


* Crypt Ghouls (110pts)
(Poisoned Attacks (BRB-73), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 10x Crypt Ghoul


* Dire Wolves (50pts)
(Slavering Charge (AB-36), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26), Vanguard (BRB-79))
Champion, 5x Dire Wolf


* Dire Wolves (50pts)
(Slavering Charge (AB-36), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26), Vanguard (BRB-79))
Champion, 5x Dire Wolf


* Skeleton Warriors (80pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 10x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


* Skeleton Warriors (80pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 10x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


* Skeleton Warriors (80pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 10x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


* Skeleton Warriors (80pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 10x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


+ Special + (320pts)

* Hexwraiths (160pts)
(Ethereal (BRB-68), Fast Cavalry (BRB-68), Soul Reapers (AB-47), Soulstriders (AB-47), Spectral Hunters (AB-47), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Terror (BRB-78), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 5x Hexwraith


* Hexwraiths (160pts)
(Ethereal (BRB-68), Fast Cavalry (BRB-68), Soul Reapers (AB-47), Soulstriders (AB-47), Spectral Hunters (AB-47), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Terror (BRB-78), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 5x Hexwraith


+ Rare + (500pts)

* Terrorgheist (250pts)
(Death Shriek (AB-48), Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Regeneration (6+) (BRB-74), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
Infested (Infested (AB-48)), Rancid Maw (Rancid Maw (AB-48))


* Terrorgheist (250pts)
(Death Shriek (AB-48), Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Regeneration (6+) (BRB-74), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
Infested (Infested (AB-48)), Rancid Maw (Rancid Maw (AB-48))
 

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The list is ... interesting.

Not sure how well MSU style works for VC seeing the lack of combat ability in the core troops. The list is pretty one-dimensional: Terrorgheists and Vamp fly around, double scream, vamp cleans up. Cannons could really hurt. Not to mention a lot of high level magic. A level 1 and a level 2 in 2500 is going to have a rough go of it. An Empire Light Council would not be a fun game. There's nothing else to really threaten. The hex wraiths can be troublesome but there are a lot of ways to counter them: magic missiles, any DoC unit (double skill-kannon will RUIN your day vs both HW and TG), WoC knights/crushers w/ ensorcelled weapons, WE w/ magic bows, combat res if someone can get the charge in on you w/ some type of bus toting a cheap hero w/ a magic weapon and dragonbane gem...

The biggest change I'd make is some kind of ward save on the vamp. Cannons and single-shot spear throwers will hit both the vamp and the dragon and then ignore any armor.

I'd be interested to see any battle reports against this list. The double-gheist list is strong but it's been done to death (heh, pun intended) and most people who have played against it know how to deal w/ it. The TG HAVE to stay close to the vamp in order to be able to march which means the opponent can safely set to counter IF they have enough chaff. I guess that's the one saving grace of this army: you have a billion deployment drops and have a very good chance of out-deploying your opponent and spreading him thin.
 

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What can i say...

Vampire Counts rely on numbers not MSU. Your basic troops tend to get trashed by other basic troops, thats why yours are so cheap. 10 Skellies will just die against even a medium (20 man) size unit. If you are relying on a flank charge to deny ranks, well it only takes 1 casualty for you to lose that bonus.

As mentioned before, cannons will ruin your day and you will be completely dominated in the magic phase.

What can you do to improve? I would start by removing the Zombie dragon \ Vamp lord, if you are set on a flying Vampire, take a Strigoi Ghoul King on a Terrorgheist, now you have 3! Combine skeletons and Ghouls in to 1 unit each.

I would then (personally) drop a unit of Hexwraiths and get in some Ghoul Ogres (i cannot remember what they were called). This should set you up nicely.

If you want 3 scream attacks, give the Ghoul King the screaming magical sword of death. Now you have 4 scream attacks!
 

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ok so heres the new list not sure what would give a ward save i am completely new to Fantasy im at 2340 points so any other advice would be great thanks for what was given already

+ Lords + (560pts)

* Strigoi Ghoul King (560pts)
(Infinite Hatred (AB-32), Poisoned Attacks (BRB-73), Regeneration (5+) (BRB-74), The Hunger (AB-27), Undead (AB-26), Vampiric (AB-26))
Lore of the Vampires, Terrorgheist (Death Shriek (AB-48), Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Regeneration (6+) (BRB-74), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26)), Wizard Level 1
* Magic Items
AB - Skabscrath


+ Heroes + (220pts)

* Necromancer (220pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Lore of the Vampires, Wizard Level 2
* Corpse Cart
(*Random Attacks (2D6) (BRB-74), Regeneration (BRB-74), Vigor Mortis (AB-40))
Unholy Lodestone (Unholy Lodestone (AB-40))


+ Core + (670pts)

* Crypt Ghouls (210pts)
(Poisoned Attacks (BRB-73), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 20x Crypt Ghoul


* Dire Wolves (50pts)
(Slavering Charge (AB-36), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26), Vanguard (BRB-79))
Champion, 5x Dire Wolf


* Dire Wolves (50pts)
(Slavering Charge (AB-36), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26), Vanguard (BRB-79))
Champion, 5x Dire Wolf


* Skeleton Warriors (230pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 40x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


* Skeleton Warriors (130pts)
(Undead (AB-26))
Champion, Musician, 20x Skeleton Warrior, Standard Bearer


+ Special + (390pts)

* Corpse Cart (106pts)
(*Random Attacks (2D6) (BRB-74), Regeneration (BRB-74), Undead (AB-26), Vigor Mortis (AB-40))
Balefire (Balefire (AB-40)), Corpsemaster's Spear


* Crypt Horrors (124pts)
(Poisoned Attacks (BRB-73), Regeneration (5+) (BRB-74), Stomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 3x Crypt Horror


* Hexwraiths (160pts)
(Ethereal (BRB-68), Fast Cavalry (BRB-68), Soul Reapers (AB-47), Soulstriders (AB-47), Spectral Hunters (AB-47), Swiftstride (BRB-76), Terror (BRB-78), Undead (AB-26))
Champion, 5x Hexwraith


+ Rare + (500pts)

* Terrorgheist (250pts)
(Death Shriek (AB-48), Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Regeneration (6+) (BRB-74), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
Infested (Infested (AB-48)), Rancid Maw (Rancid Maw (AB-48))


* Terrorgheist (250pts)
(Death Shriek (AB-48), Fly (BRB-70), Large Target (BRB-72), Regeneration (6+) (BRB-74), Terror (BRB-78), Thunderstomp (BRB-76), Undead (AB-26))
Infested (Infested (AB-48)), Rancid Maw (Rancid Maw (AB-48))
 
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