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Ok, Im thinking about taking my BT army to an upcoming Rouge Trader. They are all very well painted, but I also want them to be competitive.

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Grimaldus-195

Emperors Champion w/ATCNMTO-140

TROOPS

8 man Crusader Squad w/PF, MG, and LRC w/BH-459

7 man Crusader Squad w/PF, MG, frags and Rhino w/smoke-213

7 man Crusader Squad w/PF, MG, and Rhino w/smoke-206

5 man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, and Razorback w/twin-las-191

5 man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, and Razorback w/twin-las-191

HEAVY SUPPORT

Auto-Las Pred- 125

Auto-Las Pred- 125

FAST ATTACK

Land Speeder w/Heavy Flamer and MM-75

Land Speeder w/Heavy Flamer and MM-75

The total is 1995. I would like to fit in either assault Terminators or an assault squad, but I cant figure out what to drop. And the LR and Grimaldus has to stay.
 

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Psst...take typhoon heavy bolter land speeders. they are only 70 pts and they got an up date to be like the C:SM typhoon.
 

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Pssst, take Assault Cannon, their rending and do a lot more damage than the Heavy Bolters.

Also drop the seven man sqaud without frags, add two more intiates into the squad in the LRC, add one Neo, is that is were Grimaldus and his 3 are going, unless your champ is going there as well. Then hey just have the 10 man initates. That should give you a few points to play around with.
 

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What do you guys think about this list?

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Grimaldus-195

Emperors Champion w/ATCNMTO- 140

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5 man Assault Terminators w/Furious Charge, 3 TH/SH, 2 LC and LRC w/BH-505

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9 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-223

10 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, frags, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-244

6 man Crusader squad w/PG, LC, and razorback w/LC-207

FAST ATTACK
Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

HEAVY SUPPORT
Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

I still have 11pts left.
 

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do you want 48" range land speeders or 24 and closer speeders?
 

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Idk. The rockets give me more shots and more deversity, but I feel that I'm ganna hurt against av14 if I give up the meltas. Maybe run a combination?
 

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Well you can do that. I would if you want to have both.

Personally, however, if I had a heavy bolter I would have an assault cannon, just because I ahve ahd more luck with them and popping armor than multimelta. I mean, Multimelta needs 12 inches to get that double pen roll. Where as I get an auto pin with an Assault Cannon that has a possiblity of rolling 4 hits and 4 auto pins with a roll of six.

Still just play test out the different styles and see which one you get more success with.
 

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So, how about this...

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Grimaldus-195

Emperors Champion w/ATCNMTO- 140

ELITES
5 man Assault Terminators w/Furious Charge, 3 TH/SH, 2 LC and LRC w/BH-505

TROOPS
8 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-207

8 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, frags, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-215

6 man Crusader squad w/PG, LC, and razorback w/LC-207

FAST ATTACK
2 Land Speeder w/MM, HF-150

Land Speeder w/HB, and Typhoon ML-70

Land Speeder w/HB, and Typhoon ML-70

HEAVY SUPPORT
Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

All that comes to 1939pts. What should I do with the remaining 61pts?
 

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.......Power of the machine spirit vindies. They are nasty now with BT. They cost as much as a BA one, but in order for people to stop them they have to weapon destroy it or destroy it. They updated the power of the machine spirit for bt so its the same as standard Marines now. You can move 12' and still shoot and always be able to shoot it. Makes them a key target and a bullet spunge

Id say drop the preds and pick up 2 vindies that would leave u 21 points to work with

Id say drop Grim unless your really stuck on him. BT suffer from low LD and rhinos arent super good transports sucks when ur making pin and rite zeal test at ld 8. Pick up a decked out Marshal with lightening claws......hes a beast compared to Grim. And cheaper
 

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I really want Grimaldus. I have had the model for about a year, but have not yet played with him. But maybe ill drop a Typhoon speeder to give me 130pts for a marshal. And anyway, grimaldus makes all units within 12in of him fearless!!
 

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looks solid to me, keep the mm/hf speeders they are so versitle. plus think of all them genestelers your gunna need to toast at that tourny. im almost inclined to make a pure tyranid slaying force ;P..
 

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oh and you can get mm/hf speeders for 70 pts. if you rearange. blam extra 10 points. oh and happy 100th post to me woot...
 

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Grimaldus-195

Emperors Champion w/ATCNMTO- 140

Marsahl w/Iron Halo, PoLC, HOoA, Frags-146

ELITES
5 man Assault Terminators w/Furious Charge, 3 TH/SH, 2 LC and LRC w/BH-505

TROOPS
8 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-207

8 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-207

6 man Crusader squad w/PG, LC, and razorback w/LC-207

FAST ATTACK
Land Speeder w/HB, and Typhoon ML-70

Land Speeder w/HB, and Typhoon ML-70

HEAVY SUPPORT
Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

Pred-Des w/LC side sponsons-125

The Total is 1997!! But should I take the Typhoon Speeders or the HF/MM version?
 

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go for the MM, you have no meltas.
 

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Discussion Starter #16 (Edited)
So....

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Grimaldus-195

Emperors Champion w/ATCNMTO- 140

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5 man Assault Terminators w/Furious Charge, 3 TH/SH, 2 LC and LRC w/BH-505

TROOPS
8 man Crusader squad w/PF, Flamer, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-207

8 man Crusader squad w/, Neophyte, PF, Flamer, frags, and Rhino w/smoke and EA-226

5 man Crusader squad w/PG, LC, and razorback w/LC-191

FAST ATTACK
Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

Land Speeder w/MM, HF-75

HEAVY SUPPORT
Vindicator w/POTMS-155

Vindicator w/POTMS-155
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is the bt dex diff in points to the vanilla dex, cause you can get mm/hf for 70 Pts. Looks good by the way, kind of alot in hq choices but they are gunna boost your squads fairly well...
 

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yeah, yhe points are different. I have to pay more for stuff ussually. And I know there are a lot in HQ's. Should I drop the Marshal back off for 2 Typhoon Speeders?
 
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