Well it states that he can join a Command Squad in power armor while he is in Terminator armor though he looses his ability to Deepstrike. Well if your taking join in your sence then it doesnt matter about deepstriking... he could join after he deepstriked or he wouldnt need to deepstrike as he deployed with the rest at the begginning and joined in the first movement phase... so why the statement that "he forfeits his ability to deepstrike"??? Because developers intention here was that he can still take a normal command squad in power armor. This was probably meant as one of those its an option that we (the developers) knew was an option and we were to stupid to right it in because we dont know how to rules lawyer things. The name "Chapter Master" might ring a bell. Whats the highest ranking commander you can take... oh yeah right a Master.
Rules for this is that "One Command Squad may be made up of Ultramarine Honor Guards." Read just above the bold print. Honor Guards are just upgraded Command Squads so they can do everything the normal command squad does. Marneus is not the only character who can have them... any HQ leader can take one.
Options for Tigurius states he can take a "Librarian Command Squad"
Options for Cassius states he can take a "Reclusiam Command Squad"
Who else can take Librarian and Reclusiam Command squads?? Oh thats right... Librarians and Chaplians. The part were their names are "Chaplian Cassius" and "Tigurius Chief Librarian" might give a clue.
What the developers
intended can only be guessed at; what they
wrote is that Calgar can "
lead" an Honour Guard Command Squad and can "
join" a Command Squad. Do you disagree with that statement?
I think that you're probably right that their
intention was that Calgar could lead a (normal) Command Squad. However,
as it is written he can't.
Are you implying I don't know that a Chapter Master is the supreme commander of a chapter? You know very little about me Bishop, but please believe me, I've been following the Ultramarines since 1987 and I play for fluff. I know what a Chapter Master is. It would be polite, I think, for you to read O'sharan's and my posts at the beginning of the thread, and then think about what they are saying.
Honour Guards can most emphatically
not do everything a normal Command Squad can do - wherever did you get that idea from? It has no basis in the rules. They can't take two special weapons troopers, they can't swap their bolters for bolt-pistol and close combat weapon and they can't pick veteran skills, for instance. Just three quick examples as to why the assertion that "they can do everything the normal command squad does" is just wrong.
As to whether other characters can take Honour Guard, can you show where I said they couldn't? I'm quite well aware that any Ultramarines army can (in theory) take an Honour Guard squad in place of a normal command squad.
I'm well aware of the options for Tigurius and Cassius. You do not seem to be aware of the point that O'sharan was making in his first post. I'd urge you to read it and have a think, instead of going "durr, the clue's in the name", which is a somewhat facile argument. After all, a 'demolisher' cannon does not always
literally demolish everything; 'Dark Reapers' do not
automatically mow everything down; and 'Kharn the Betrayer'
might not, in fact end up killing his own side.
Why is this? Because names are one thing, and rules are something else. I can call a character "Lord Invulnerable the Utterly Impervious" but that doesn't mean he
is. I have to play him by the rules. And in terms of the rules, Calgar is
not a commander, Cassius is
not a Chaplain, and Tigurius is
not a Librarian. They merely
have some of the abilities of those characters. They
don't have others - the ability to choose wargear, for instance. So, ruleswise, they are something different.
This is the point I was trying to put to O'sharan in my original reply: that Tigurius, Cassius and Calgar are not as they seem; much as you claim 'they are' you can't actually present any evidence to back that up except to say 'it's their names', which I for one think is pretty unconvincing.
