Warhammer 40k Forum and Wargaming Forums banner

1 - 19 of 19 Posts

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
This idea came partially out of frustration with not being able to build a decent sized list with the current BA dex, and partially out of boredom and a copy of the new chaos dex

At the moment, it's strictly a 'counts as chaos' list, meant to represent a loyalist successor chapter, but if I like it (and get bored) I might have them become corrupted and throw in more genuine chaos stuff.

HQ 340
Chief Librarian Vladius 175
-Sorcerer, MoS, JP, Familiar, Warptime, Lash
--I know, I know, Lash is cheese. Yeah, well so was Fear of the Darkness, and I miss it ;-) He goes with the raptors.

Venerable Brother Versitus 165
-Daemon Prince, MoT, Doombolt, Warptime.
--Chaos Dreads suck, and the only thing that can match a Furioso's armor penetration is a DP, so even though he's using DP stats, I'm using my furioso mini. Doombolt = Storm Bolter. I was thinking of going Bolt of Change + Winds of Chaos for Melta + HF, but that's expensive and takes away from his melee role.

Elite 229
Veteran Assault Squad 229
-8 man Chosen, IoS, 3xPG, 2xMG
--Infiltrate, bust a tank, use it as cover to set up a forward firebase. If I can scrape up 10 points, should I drop a PG for a Fist?

Troops 640
Death Company & Father O'Malleus 320
-10 man Berzerkers, Champ w/Fist, PI, 2xPP, Rhino
--The skull champ has become a stand-in for my chaplain. I plan to get the cool PF chappy model rather than religating my custom chappy to such a role.

2x Fire Suport Squads 160x2
-6 Noise Marines, Blastmaster
--Sort of a call back to the tacky 6-man las/plas of old. Blastmaster will probably be represented by a lascannon...sort of a Jazzcannon then, eh?

Fast 280
Assault Squad 280
-10 man Raptors, IoS, PF Champ, 2xMG
--Could call it a second Veteran Assault Squad, really.

Heavy
Devastator Squad 230
-10 Havocs, 4 missile launchers
--My favorite misisle squad. One plastic ML from each edition of the game

Summoned 130
Scouts 130
-10 Lesser Daemons
--These will be a way to get my close combat scouts off the shelf and back into the game.

1849
I think it should be pretty flavorful, yet still effective.
Wish I could scrape up points to mark my havocs, just so they don;t stand out, but considering their role they;re probably fine wihtout.
 

·
Powered by Squig Tea
Joined
·
7,589 Posts
Looks cool (and fun). A good way to gets those BAs models youv'e lost off the the shelf mate. The Sorcerer is gonna have trouble keeping up with the Raptors without wings though. :wink:
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
JP = Jump Pack

Though giving him actual wings might be fun, write it off as the wings of sanguinius power.
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
Or I could cheat ant nab the bat wings off the new possessed sprue. Hey, BAs are vampirey...

In any event, thanks. I was going for kind of an old school 2nd edition style layout. Lots of squads, rhino DC, etc. But with shades of 3rd edition BAs as far as mechanics go, with the extra initiative all around, using lash to substitute for fear, ets
 

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
I like it actually. Should play very well from what I can see.
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
After making a suggestion for Vash's list I've given some thought to the chosen squad.

If I dropped 2 men off the havocs, I could retool the Chosen squad to be 4 plas and an LC, sort of the ultimate las/plas squad...and infiltrate it into a great firing position.

It's not super blood-angely by current standards, but back in the old days we tended to tote around a lot of heavy weapons
 

·
Powered by Squig Tea
Joined
·
7,589 Posts
Galahad said:
Or I could cheat ant nab the bat wings off the new possessed sprue. Hey, BAs are vampirey...
Now that is a great idea, Ive always thought that more BA players ought to investigate the dark Vampiric side of of them. Like the black and white artwork of Mephiston in the 2nd Ed codex with all the bats behind/above him. :twisted:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
2,602 Posts
I actually really don't see the point, why not just use the Ba list. Its still a good list IMO if alot more focused than before. I dont like either of the characters very much, the whole dp counting as a dred is a bit of a stretch. Why not start a new chaos army and use chaos models and list for it, and adapt your BA list for the new codex???
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Because I can do both and not have to buy a fuckton of new models :p

You'll note I've also posted BA lists here and on B&C in the last few days. I'm not abandoning the BAs because of the new dex. The new dex is good, if you make a certain kind of list. If you want to make a list like this one it becomes very, very hard to work with. This is the kind of list I used to have, and I missed it.

You've got multiple armies and/or multiple lists, I'm sure. Picture this as the same thing, except I'm economizing by not buying a few hundred bucks worth of new models ;-) When I feel like playing a small, super-elite hit and run force, I'll pull out the new BA, when I want some run and gun action, I'll break out the Tau. If I want a more balanced, static gunline with vicious assault components and a lot of bodies on the ground, that's what this is for.

I'm not abandoning the BAs proper. I've got a rather nice 1850 mechanized list I could post over here if you like,
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,615 Posts
I like it.

I'm currently working on the same kind of thing - but in reverse, trying to use Codex SM to write a list for my Chaos (or 'very very divergent') marines, as I won't be getting codex chaos at any point soon. I even thought of using the BA list to make it (which is what I thought you'd done, until I started reading).

Keep up the good work! Confusion will abound!

:cyclops:
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
The new chaos dex is actually really pretty good. I'm not sure why so many people are dead set to condemn it, aside from the daemons thing.

Anyhow, thanks.

I had an idea regarding the librarian though. I'm not sure if I want to try it or not because I want to try Lash.

But the idea is Slaneesh Chaos Lord = BA Librarian
Seriously...the current BA librarians have their crappy 'we don't get jump packs anymore' wings power, a power that gets them a bunch of attacks, and a force weapon.

Meanwhile, a Slaneeshi CL can get actual wings, and a daemon weapon that gets them extra attacks and can kill like a force weapon. No warp checks or hood blocks, and a better WS, but also the chance of the daemon weapon turning on them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,615 Posts
Galahad said:
The new chaos dex is actually really pretty good. I'm not sure why so many people are dead set to condemn it, aside from the daemons thing.
Oh no, I'm not condemning it: I just can't afford to 'not spend that £12 on minis'. Every codex I buy means two-thirds of a box of minis I don't. And I like the head-games of 'counts as'. As I have Codex SMs, and the BA list, I thought I'd try to knock my... what, currently about 30 chaos marines into order using those, that's all. I fully intend to get Codex Chaos at some point, maybe in a few months, but in the meantime I'm gonna try for a list based on Codex SM (probably, it seems easier!)

:cyclops:
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
Aaahhh, sorry I misunderstood you. Given the amount of ranting, I suppose you can see why I leapt to that conclusion.

As far as buying books vs minis, I've always been the other way around. Once I've got a good list together, I don't buy any more minis (Well, unless I see some aweosme conversion potential in them)...but I'll buy any codex that looks interesting, just for the brain fuel if nothing else. I consider the tactical advantage of knowing exactly what my enemy can and can't do to be worth the investment. No point in having spent the $40+ on a new dreadnought if you only end up getting it swarmed under because you didn't spend the $20 to find out that genestealers can rend ;-)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,615 Posts
Yeah I can see your point; but then again, it's only one battle! There will be times you can use it - or doctor you tactics to prevent it happening again.

I have to admit I tend to get things I think are cool, then spend ages trying to work out lists from the minis I have, which isn't always easy/effective (thinks, maybe this why I find it hard? :roll:)

But as a result, it's generally more about the minis (or the fluff) than the rules for me. Coz basically, I'm a rubbish player. :D

:cyclops:
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #16
I started that way. I collected a lot of space marines before I even bothered buying the core rules. As a result, I only managed a couple disappointing 2nd ed games because my collection was more about what I thought looked cool <chuckles> But eventually I decided to get into the game and take it seriously, so I switched gears and got into the rules first.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,615 Posts
Take it seriously? Hmmm... apart from spending several hundreds of pounds and having a mini collection going back 30 years and a whole load of rules and suplements for warhammer, 40k and at least 7 other games, spending months of my life painting and years gaming, writing stuff connected to games, designing scenarios and campaigns and generally thinking about the background and possibilities for playing, no, I don't take it very seriously! :D

I got into this through FRPGs, and I was always a 'Californian' style of player - the 'rules' are just, like' 'the Man' trying to bogart your fun, dude. It's about, y'know, the journey... or something.

Which is why I think it's fun to represent one set of things with the rules for another set of things. It confirms me in my deeply-held philosophy that it's all a bit arbitrary. And ultimately, "they're only plastic spacemen!".

:cyclops:
 

·
Executive Nitpicker
Joined
·
8,276 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
I never meant to suggest that you weren't taking the game seriously, just that at the time I very much wasn't.

But yeah, I was born a roleplayer. Literally cut my teeth on my dad's old AD&D player's handbook. So the concept of 'counts as' comes naturally to me. "Ok, so my character sheet says Class: Fighter. But I'm not going to call my guy that. He's a Knight, damnit."
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,615 Posts
Galahad said:
.... "Ok, so my character sheet says Class: Fighter. But I'm not going to call my guy that. He's a Knight, damnit."
Quite right too mate! I mean what self-respecting noble defender of damsels is gonna want to be mistaken for a common thug or dockside brawler? Psychology (and indeed the character's whole backstory) is really important!

:cyclops:
 
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
Top