1500 pts All-comers

Just taking a glance at the your list I would call it a friendly game list and probably fun. My lists are usually limited to what I have available and the competitiveness of where I am playing. Not sure how those two factors influenced your list but I do have some thoughts for you. Hope they are helpful.

Deffkoptas are great units. and I have heard of people using them with a Warboss so he can take advantage of the hit and run special rule. A couple of things to remember though. Deffkoptas have a really low leadership and often a single casualty can force a leadership check and run them off the board. I typically use them as disruption units in units of 1-2. It is REALLY fun to pick off MEQ units (like insta killing Tau suits) with rokkits. Even MORE fun is using them to soak up overwatch or tie things up in combat. Again with Tau, I've used them to tie a Riptide up in combat for several turns and charge blobs of warriors so that other more dedicated combat units can charge after and not get shot up. Also, on objective camping. I say why not claim an objective with a REALLY fast 30 pt model as opportunity demands rather than camping something several hundred points on it. Buzzsaws really aren't that great. Sure they are AP 2, but will only hit at strength 7. Much less likely to kill most vehicles and can't insta kill anything above T 3. Also, you can't assault after using Scout.

You could try putting the Warboss with the warbikes and put the Painboy on a bike and put him in there too. That creates a REALLY tough unit to move due to rerolling 3+ jink saves with the lucky stick AND 5+ feel no pain. Plus, the warboss's strengths are more similar to the bikes than the koptas.

Battlewagons tend to blow up on me ALL the time. I like to take small units of Tankbustas in Trukks.

Tankbustas are amazing! Tank hammers are not that useful since they already have Tankbusta bombs (melta bombs). Tankbustas are actually really good anti air as well. Again, I like them in smaller units. I've had a unit of 5 assault and kill an Imperial Knight. A unit of 5 Tankbustas in a Trukk with squig bombs costs a little over 100, can easily get it's points back, and is not a big loss. Plus, for about the same points than the 15 Tankbustas in your battlewagon you could have 3 units of 5 w/ bomb squigs in Trukks. One melta touting marine in a drop pod can explode your battlewagon, which will kill probably at least 1/3 of the Tankbustas, then you either run off the board, get pinned, or loose even MORE to mob rule. Who cares if that Melta marine kills one Trukk and 5 Tankbustas? You've got 2 more! Target saturation is important.

Lootas are alright, though mine tend to die if not in cover. Tankbustas are you real anti-armor now. But definitely a useful unit.

Grotz are always useful for objectives, screening, and occasionally hilariously killing things they shouldn't be able to.

Boyz. Unless your boyz are made more durable somehow a 30 blob is not that hard to move. An opponent only needs to kill 8 to force a leadership check and that is not difficult. Then you either run or mob rule beat yourself up. Grotsnik is great for making them fearless AND giving them feel no pain. A pain boy would be cheaper option. Though, I would say 30 boyz footslogging it are not even very likely to reach objectives to sit on. Deffkoptas are much better at doing that. Grotz are much better at staying in the backfield and hiding on objectives than a very expensive mob of boyz. If I take shootas, they are in units of 10 with a big shoota. They march up and claim if needed, and occasionally add their fire or assault to help kill things.

Big guns. I was really excited about the Traktor Kanon at first but it has turned out to be just ok and I don't take it too much. In fact, unless its a small game I don't take big guns much at all. Useful, but being static really hurts. You've got great anti air with the Lootas and Tankbustas.

All just my opinion but hope it helps. I find that Orks work best when you give the opponent too many threatening targets to deal with.

Good thoughts.

Though I would reconsider 5 Tankbustas not being scary. With their tankbusta bombs and tank hunter then 5 tankbustas are a serious threat to any armor in the game. A 5 man unit way under 100 points that can very realistically take down Imperial Knights by itself is awesome. They can also assault infantry to tie up in assault. If your opponent wastes a turn firing his wave serpents at them then oh well you've lost only a few points and you've got more coming. Of course it all depends on how you like to use your Tankbustas. Using them as one of your main shooting units is great and if that is the case then by all means take them in larger squads. And if it is a choice between one battlewagon and one trukk AND your opponent doesn't take a lot of high strength low AP weapons then take the battlewagon every time. I tend to take a bunch of low count units as suicide squads essentially who's job is to hunt down armor. Plus, you don't get cover saves in the assault.

Another thought on Lootas and Mek Gunz. I've found being static against really mobile armies like Eldar can be a pain. I've heard of putting a Mega Armored Big Mek with Lootas to give them slow and purposeful and tank wounds. Or you could put them on a sky shield landing pad for a 4++. If positioned well the traktor kanon could be really useful against the wave serpents. I think it also immobilizes skimmers.

Best of luck!

The_One said:

I actually really like the idea of using the Skyshield with Lootas, as it will provide a good vantage point and a nice cover save for them.

Sure, 5 Tankbustas have the capability of taking down a Knight. But you're hoping they even make it there. With the Elite slot being relatively open, spamming Trukkbustas is doable. But Trukks are extremely unreliable and the likelihood is that you'll lose their ride, the squad, or see 3 wrecked Trukks with pinned/crippled squads. 5 Boyz with Rokkits are not scary until they get within range. 95 pts for the unit is really cheap though, so I will definitely consider them.

With the prominence of AP4 and "cover denial" shooting that the Eldar have access to, I have started looking at either Painbiker or Mekbiker w/ KFF just to ensure that the Deffkoptas survive to deliver the Koptas and Bikerboss forward.

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Big Mek's with your biker/deffkopta blob is a great idea. If you have the points consider giving him the lucky stick as well (or the warboss) and putting him in front to reroll cover/invul saves. Works incredibly well when you have the cover save (and when you take Zhagsnark Da Rippa from forge world who makes bikes troops and gives skilled rider). Kinda risky with the KKF but might help.

Again, not knowing what you have to work with, I would not advocate taking just one unit of 5 Tankbustas in a Trukk. Take 3 or if you are using the ghazkul supplement take 5. It's a tactic that has to work in harmony with the rest of your army. Spamming multiple fast moving threat targets (like a bunch of tankbusta trukks and a bike/deffkopta blob) usually gives your opponent too many things to shoot at and something gets through. Turn 2 assaults with a Waaagh are really easy to get. I've found that I need to either take things that my opponent can't kill (like a bike blob or the Greentide formation) or spamming a mix of low point but effective units, or a combination of the 2, works best.