[overlordsson]

alright, now most of you are gonna say why have DP or take off DP from the rhinos, but the rhino's goals are to get the noise from place to place and its 1 fire point. And i wanna replace the defiler out of the list but idk, thats what my gut says and the point total is 995, if you have any advice for this list, please don't be affraid to post your opinion, thanks!


Daemon Prince
-wings
-tzeentch
-bolt of change
-wind of chaos


Noise Marines 4
-sonic blaster 3
-blast master
Noise Champion
-doom siren
Rhino
-DP
-havoc launcher

Noise Marines 4
-sonic blasters 3
-blast master
Noise Champion
-doom siren
Rhino
-DP

Vindicator
-DP
-havoc launcher

Defiler
-TL lascannon
-havoc launcher

 

[LukeValantine]

Defilers are BS3, and can`t fire any other weapons if they fire their battle cannon. In other words their is never a good reason to take the laz cannon on a defiler.

 

[overlordsson]

but whenever my defiler get a weapon destroyed guess whats the opponent's first target, the battle cannon, so i think thats a good reason to have the TL lascannon, and if i have only the battle cannon, i only use it every once in a while because you can only shoot the battle cannon if you can charge the enemy unit after fired

 

[Viscount Vash]

Na, what I'm going to say is please post Army lists and Adoptables questions in the correct forums. This is the fourth thread to be moved out of fall in heritics.

 

[Fallen]

your DP is TOO expensive in this list i suggest a LoS slaanesh DP, NMs are too small to last, defiler is too expensive drop it add a second vindi, drop the havoc launcher if your rhinos are meant to be speeding your NMs theyre moving 12" a turn & cant fire anyways

as a general point...add point values to each unit

 

[ROT]

Your theory is illogical to the point that Rhino's will not last that long sir. If someone dosn't want your Rhino's driving around, it will take max 2 Turns to take both out, tbh. Rhinos are only good for delivering Troops.

When we say; don't try and cart troops around from place to place, using DP. We're not being facetious, we're giving you advice based on a combined 10+ years worth of using Rhinos, tbh. So don't shrug it off saying, yeah i'll use DP anyway, Because it dosn't work.

Sorry to be blunt.

Otherwise it'd be in your interest to take 2 vindicators with DP, and a lash prince as you say.

Sort through this sub-forum, i bet there is atleast 5 lash prince lists in the last 2 pages.
That's all i ever see these days. Terrible when you hate slaanesh. Even more terrible when you hate power-gaming. So that's my reasoning for being miserable. Come back with a Khorne list and i'll bend over backwards for you. :grin:

But fuck Slaanesh and fuck Lash princes.

Good Warring :wild:

 

[LukeValantine]

Oh rhinos I have used them for 7+ years now, and I have never gave them anything over a extra combi-bolter. Mind you I field a minimum of 4 in any given list. Also since the author of the thread seems to already have their mind made up about what they can/want to bring to the table I will just spurt out some random gaming tips in hopes that the subliminally seep in.

1) Balanced lists typically are tactically weaker for new players do to not knowing how to effectively manipulate the enemy to take advantage of the selective benefits of amror/Meq, and heavy support, so it would be advisable to take one direction and run with it in hopes the enemy can't effectively counter you. Ex) Green tide (Orks, IG mechanized lists....)

2) Make sure your selections will generate a cost effective return of your investment. Ex) You can make a single rhino cost almost a hundred points with upgrade, but its still a damn Av 11 tank which will often get exploded on the first or second turn by a 40-50pt gun volley.

3) Numbers! It is not very hard to avoid a army that consists of 30 models especially when you have 50+ Cheap bastards that can do the same just as well without the risk of the all my eggs in one basket problem.

4) Speed! Mobility is key in the vast majority of real world conflicts just as it is in the ridicules simulation of combat represented by 40K. Ex) If you have 30 foot slogging terminators, and I have 50 marines with assault weapons in rhino's I am probably going to win the game.

5) Keep the damn objective in mind. Seriously I have beat ppl with my last unit, simply do to them forgetting that the whole point of the game was to capture one of 2 objectives.

6) A bad player, can win with a good list, but a great player can win with any list. In other word if you want to win as a newer player swallow your pride, and listen to vets offering strong lists. However you can always learn far more by playing a balanced army and losing then playing a max min list and winning.

 

[ROT]

Can you explain your reasoning for a combi-bolter on a Rhino? I'm not going to argue with you, if it's been working for 7years; But i'm interested to know.

Obviously i favour Extra armour, as i use Rhinos; Pretty much as a riot shield, in-which to plough through to combat, and deliver the package. (Which my case is 23 Berserkers and Khârn the Betrayer)

 

[overlordsson]

alright i kinda see, i agree with the 2 vindicators,thanks for the feedback guys i appricate it, ill up date my list, thanks!

 

[XxDreMisterxX]

wait.... why is your Defiler even that close to the enemy if your firing his BC? O.O it should be very far away. not only will it save you points because their would be no point in giving it a las and Havoc launcher if its main gun is constantly firing and not disabled.

and with rhino's DP is usually the norm for survival and for 5pts more does way better then EA and if you have DP whats the point of having HL? lol your BS is reduced by one so it would not be that effective. and a HL on a vindi is also bad idea since the demolisher cannon is Ordinance and can not be fired with other weapons and thats they one thing you should be firing alot. and you should take away the doom siren and add a extra marine for both squads. and to get more points you might wanna change up your Tzeentch DP.

and if your feeling really shooty get rid of defiler and get 2 obli's.

my 2 cents.

 

[LukeValantine]

The point is not that DP is better then extra armor, its the point that wasting any points on a rhino is generally dumb. Seriously unless your only taking one, even extra armor is a waste. Mind you like I said I field 5+ so DP, extra armor would be retarded. Kinda like wasting points buffing a guardsmen squad just to realize how silly it is to spend the cost of the unit again just to give a minor buff.