[Engelus]

is this still in effect

what I'm wondering is if I can take more than one iron halo or adamantine mantle in my 6000 point army.

 

[Elchimpster]

As far as the Rules As Written...probably not applicable.
As far as Rules as Intended, you should only have access to one.

Your call.

I would only take one.

 

[Hespithe]

As I understand it, only one would be allowed per force organization chart. But, any army over 2500pts is officially permitted to use multiple force organization charts. So, for a 6K army, I would imagine that up to three would be "legal", though I'd opt for a personal limit of 1, myself.

 

[The Son of Horus]

There's no force organization in apocalypse. As written, all 0-1 everything is thrown out-- you can take an iron halo on everyone who can have one, if you really want.

 

[Cadian81st]

yeah, technically you can get away with it, but if you don't wanna be a dick, go with the one.

heh, let's playtest a new apocalypse army: barebones inquisitor and as many orbital bombardments as can fit into 6000 points!

 

[black chaplain]

hmm... that gives me an idea...

command sqaud with AA and iron halo's anyone?

 

[The Son of Horus]

yeah, technically you can get away with it, but if you don't wanna be a dick, go with the one.

heh, let's playtest a new apocalypse army: barebones inquisitor and as many orbital bombardments as can fit into 6000 points!

That's called Exterminatus. Sort of a moot point of playing the game.

It's not necessarily being a dick to take more than one of a relic item. One of the badges of office of a Captain is an iron halo. If you take multiple Battle Companies, it'd make sense that each Captain would have a halo. The Chapter Master would as well, and admittedly, the Master would most likely have the equivalent of the adamantine mantle as well.

 

[Elchimpster]

Sure...but there should be a line in there somewhere.

While you may have more than one company of Astartes, I doubt many folks will be fielding it. Seriously...124 Space Marine Models is a lot on one table (but I reckon if you bring multiple companies, multiple Iron Halos would be reasonable).

I figure as long as folks stay within the bounds of reason all is well.
No...there is no Force Org Charts. That doesn't mean field an army of Chaplains, or Hive Tyrants, or Baneblades, whathaveya...

The idea is to stay within the Spirit of the Rules, especially when the rules are vague. In this case the rules are specifically vague to discourage folks from min-maxing and abusing rulesets (which often happens with rules that are designed to be inclusive and complete...such as the Warhammer 40,000 Main Rule Book.)

Apocalypse is driving towards a far more liberal, loosey-goosey, "fun" style of play, geared towards non-competitive play.

Doesn't mean there are NO rules, just that the onus is on us all to create our own levels of what is considered "reasonable".

 

[DaemonsR'us]

i wouldnt mind allowing 2~3 relic for apoc, i mean that does sound reasonable/logical for a game of the size but like its been mentioned before there is a point where it is getting abused, my best bet, check with the person before hand when your playing see what your both cool with, and play with that, that makes the more enjoyable game normally

 

[Elchimpster]

<snip> my best bet, check with the person before hand when your playing see what your both cool with, and play with that, that makes the more enjoyable game normally

Truer words have never been spoken.
Well said!

 

[Galahad]

You can only have one of these items in a normal list.
But a normal list doesn't reflect the *entire army*. If you're playing an Apoc game, it could be your entire chapter on the field. Yes, your battle company may only have one iron halo, but if you have five companies on the field...

I would limit them to one per company, if you've organized your list into copnanies, or limit them to ICs only.

No, just because it's apoc you shouldn't have an iron halo on every veteran sarge...but that doesn't mean it's in any way dickish or abusive in the slightest to have several of these items on the field if you're fielding several battle companies

 

[hephesto]

If you have multiple companies (2.5K) I'd say yes, but keep it fluffy and for fun. Not just get win games, and keep things fair. So no 2 chapter banners if the entire army is from the same chapter etc :wink:

 

[Engelus]

my point was that for the Masters of the chapter I wanted to have them all with an iron halo and adamantine mantle, because I would hate to see them go in the first turn from an orbital bombardment or something. also, I always play against armies that always have tons of stuff that denies armor and instakills.

 

[DaemonsR'us]

Well they are masters of the chapter and apoc is mainly geared towards fluffy fights(mainly...kinda....sorta..) so again, tell your opponent about the wargear and that they are the masters of chapter formation, and see what he/she says, if your both ok with it then have a blast, if not then come up with something you both are ok with, rules for apoc are just to set some kind of standard so its not complete chaos, but as long as all players are ok with things that are a little out of the ordinary(like a few halos and mantles) then thats the more important factor

 

[Red Orc]

This is just personal opinion, obviously, but I think what I'd do is work down the list. There's a bunch of stuff that is 'one per army'; but as has been said, an Apocalypse game contains multiple 'armies' (ie the equivalent of several FOCs). Even so, the idea must be that these things are incredibly rare and precious, if not unique.

So one idea would be to take not 5 Iron Haloes but one; and one Adamantine Mantle, one Sacred Standard and one Chapter Banner, and one Holy Relic.
Personally, I'd have no problem playing with 3 or 4 command squads in an Apocalypse game; I'm prepared to claim that they're more like Blood Angel Honour Guard. Not much use for your Masters of the Chapter, maybe, but a more 'fluffy' aproach to relics at least.

 

[chaplin_magnus]

as long as your opponent is cool with it then go for it, if not then go with the way the rules are writing. it's about having fun not who can come up with the most ridicules uber-army. any one with a big check book can build an unstopable army but most of us can't and have been building are armies for years. it's about fun and thats it and in a game were you plan on feilding a company or more you should be able to which comes back to is your opponent cool with it.

 

[The Son of Horus]

For what it's worth, I noticed that on page 18, it explicitly says you can take any upgrades you want, so long as they're modelled-- it doesn't matter if it's 0-1 or not, as all those restrictions are explicitly thrown out the window.

 

[Brother Shrike]

As I understand it, only one would be allowed per force organization chart. But, any army over 2500pts is officially permitted to use multiple force organization charts. So, for a 6K army, I would imagine that up to three would be "legal", though I'd opt for a personal limit of 1, myself.

wait... where does it say anything about a 2500 pt limit?

 

[chromedog]

Yes, if your army is DA (as don't all of their characters have them?) you can have all the ICs with IH wargear. Others, well, since you are technically using multiple detachments, you can have multiples.

As it is, Apoc has its own restrictions on wargear. Like vortex grenades ( )

 

[The Son of Horus]

That's not wargear-- that's a strategic asset. You could, in theory, take multiple vortex grenades on a side, but common sense dictates you can only take each asset once for your army.