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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-30-13, 04:41 AM Thread Starter
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Hey, my wife and I have just recently bought a couple of battalions. One Empire and one Dark Elves.

I don't know much about the dark elves. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a good start after the battalion? A sorceress? Or maybe a bolt thrower?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

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This forum http://www.druchii.net/ should have plenty of information for you. Although they aren't perhaps the best model for a beginner to try and assemble, Hydras are awesome. Don't go for Bolt Throwers, fairly useless, I would definitely get a Sorceress though as you need a Hero to field an army (for the general).

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To add to the Battalion, to get a fairly rounded army.

-A Sorceress.
-Another box of spearmen to add to the ones from the battalion (spearmen, like many low grade troops need to be fielded en masse to achieve anything).
-A small unit of 6-8 Shades or Harpies.
-A Hydra.

Once you have these units, it's simply a matter of finding what works for you.
-An additional character to act as a general is always a good thought. As is a BSB.
-Another Hydra is a personal favourite.
-A unit of Black Guard or Witch Elves
-More Cavalry
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Moved to Warhammer Tactics to increase possible responses.
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Thanks, Dave.

So you think those units would be a good match for empire?

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Yeah. As for heroes at a small-points level, you will probably need a sorcereress and a BSB (less mandatory now).

You will need a special unit. Best infantry in the black guard by far. Witch elves are number 2, executioners suck. I'll just say it again for emphasis - black guard rock. As do hydras. Already mentioned but 2 of the MVPs in the book.

Cold one knights are decent but need a BSB to function well because stupidity is a test dark elves can't afford to fail.

An unkillable dreadlord (pendant of kealaeth, armour of darkness, crown of command etc) is always awesome at holding things up and killing a few folks.

If the empire army is bringing a combat-oriented army then have no fear of going toe to toe. You should win. Magic is a huge strength of the dark elves, so play to that. If they are bringing a shooty army or gunline type list, then some dark riders or shades to eliminate war machines are nice, and from their repeater crossbowmen can bring the hurt as much/more then their shooty infantry. Once again, they will fare worse in combat.

The empire is a well balanced book, but dark elves are top-tier.

A decently balanced list to work to for around 2.5k (no points values here) rough outline:

Supreme Sorceress with Sac. Dagger (Level 4) (goes in spearmen)

Unkillable dreadlord on pegasus

Sorceress (Level 2) with Tome of Furion

Large group (preferably 30+) spearmen

2-3 squads of 10-14 repeater xbowmen

For specials, either do:

2 squads of maxed out black guard with the AP banners

Or, drop one for a group of knights with the hydra banner/hag graef banner.

As for rares, a hydra or two is good, and bolt throwers are only good if you take large groups of them, so you can annihiliate/render useless one unit per turn.

Hopefully this was at least moderately helpful.

My tactics articles, if you need help making a new army, or beating one:

High Elves - https://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...d.php?t=112437

Tyranids - https://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...d.php?t=118886

New Warriors of Chaos - https://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...=1#post1336092


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Great advice. I'm going to purchase some black guard and a couple of hydras. Also a sorceress.

Any special characters I should pick up while I'm there?

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No, Dark Elf special characters are a dirty lie.
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I know the big one are costly, but the sorceress is a level 4 wizard plus knows everything!!

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It's nice to theme, but not as cost-effective as generic characters.

As for Black Guard, I know DivineEdge has sung their praises, and I'm not going to flat-out say he's wrong or anything, but don't take one view as gospel. Perhaps it differs from area to area, but in my experience Black Guard have been fairly mediocre, due to their relatively small (compared to the rest of Fantasy these days) unit size. Executioners with the ASF banner have been better for me personally. Again, I'm not saying DivineEdge is wrong, but just want you to appreciate that one specific unit is not going to win you a game by itself, and that there is a whole spectrum of opinions out there; it's best to find what works for you.

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