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Default A few rules questions.

It's been a while since I posted here, have been working on my new slaanesh chaos mortal army. I've had some burning questions for a while that I cant find any in depth clarifications for, here goes.

[question 1.] If a wizard is engaged in close combat can he still cast spells? or must it say in the spell description specifically that he may?

[question 2.] If a character that has the ASF rule joins a unit that does NOT have the ASF rule, does that character lose ASF? Or does he simply strike before everyone (assuming the enemy unit/char doesnt have ASF) then it goes to the normal order of whomever charged or init...?

[question 3.] Say I have a chaos lord with the mark of slaanesh (confers immunity to psychology) and he is equipped with a helm of many eyes, does he still suffer from stupidiy or does the helm of many eyes trump the mark of slaanesh?

Thanks in advance for any and all clarifications.
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It's been a while since I posted here, have been working on my new slaanesh chaos mortal army. I've had some burning questions for a while that I cant find any in depth clarifications for, here goes.

[question 1.] If a wizard is engaged in close combat can he still cast spells? or must it say in the spell description specifically that he may?

[question 2.] If a character that has the ASF rule joins a unit that does NOT have the ASF rule, does that character lose ASF? Or does he simply strike before everyone (assuming the enemy unit/char doesnt have ASF) then it goes to the normal order of whomever charged or init...?

[question 3.] Say I have a chaos lord with the mark of slaanesh (confers immunity to psychology) and he is equipped with a helm of many eyes, does he still suffer from stupidiy or does the helm of many eyes trump the mark of slaanesh?

Thanks in advance for any and all clarifications.
1- I've never had this situation come up yet, but I would say no as he would be fighting for his life and not concentrating on making the complex gestures needed to cast a spell.

2- I think the character still has his rule, but does not confer that rule to the unit he is with.

3- I do believe the Helm Of Many Eyes beats the Mark Of Slannesh.

I can't be for certain as I'm at work and don't have a rulebook on me sadly, but I think that's how it goes rules wise. If not I'm sure Vaz or Squeek will correct me.
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Immune to Psychology no longer effects stupidity, hatred or frenzy. Mainly because there were almost always exceptions to hatred/frenzy still work on a unit that has both hatred/frenzy and immune to psychology.
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1-some spells can be cast in combat, it says so in the spell entry
2-the character has ASF, the unit does not. therefor combat goes Char's attacks, chargers attacks, higest I attacks, next highest I attacks ect ect
3-not sure, but i belive that he still suffers from stupitidy.

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1. The only mention of spells and combat I found is on Pg 107 in BRB and it just says "Wizards cannot cast spells at units engaged in close combat, unless the spell only affects the caster himself or the spell's description specifies otherwise"(WHFB, 107).


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As far as I can remember without poring through the rulebooks spells can be cast when the wizard is in combat provided they don't require line of sight.
so no magic missiles etc.

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[question 1.] If a wizard is engaged in close combat can he still cast spells? or must it say in the spell description specifically that he may?

Yes a wizard in close combat can still cast spells, as Darktheos and neilbatte say. The only time wizards can't cast spells is if they are fleeing or not on the table, they also cannot cast in to close combat unless the spell only effects the caster or the the details say otherwise. Page 107 helps here.

[question 2.] If a character that has the ASF rule joins a unit that does NOT have the ASF rule, does that character lose ASF? Or does he simply strike before everyone (assuming the enemy unit/char doesnt have ASF) then it goes to the normal order of whomever charged or init...?

I would agree with the others that the character has ASF and the unit doesn't, so treat them as separate, much the same as fighting in initiative order in a combat where no-one charged, each model gets to fight when it is their turn regardless of side. I haven't seen anything written down about this scenario, so I would just apply commonsense until it is FAQed otherwise.

[question 3.] Say I have a chaos lord with the mark of slaanesh (confers immunity to psychology) and he is equipped with a helm of many eyes, does he still suffer from stupidiy or does the helm of many eyes trump the mark of slaanesh?

You need to re-read Mark of Slaanesh in your WoC book. It only gives immunity to Fear, Terror and Panic so does not give full ItP, though full ItP makes no mention of stupidity either as it happens. This is good as it allows you more flexibility, but in this case doesn't help with the Helm of Many Eyes stupidity.

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3- read the rulebook. Immune to Psychology doesn't make you immune to all psycological effects (as you might expect) only to panic, fear and terror.

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However, it does have a both a Drawback, and a Benefit.

Some spells, such as those in the Lore of Slaanesh have a limited effect against ItP foes. However, there is also the issue that they cannot voluntarily flee, so those Undead Light Cavalry suddenly aren't so good.



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thanks for all the replies and clearing up those questions for me ;D
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