Originally Posted by Gromrir Silverblade
Dude, usualyl I usually agree with everything you say, but today you're just plain wrong. Brets are cool and all but the Empire has stood up to far worse than a Brettonian invasion. So they have Knights...and? That's it, if you compare a Brettonian Knight to a Chaos Knight then I would say with all his dark blessings, huge steeds, augmented weaponry the Chaos Knight is far more bad ass and the Empire stands up to them.
You're looking in terms of gameplay here, I think. Knights of Sigmar/Ulric are sons of wealthy land owners who are sent to the Knightly Orders to earn glory for the family, and perhaps give them a sense of humility and get good graces with the church. They aren't blessed by the god whatsoever, despite being great warriors - and rarely are they trained from birth. And Chaos Knights munch them, as they are the Chosen of Chaos.
As opposed to a Knight of Bretonnia - at birth, they are trained and indoctrinated in the glory of the knighthood and quality in battle - often many claiming a lineage to Gilles the Uniter, and the need to prove themselves in battle. Araby has withstood Estalia and the Khemrian Undead, and it was only half the forces of the Breton which defeated the Daemonancer Sultan Jaffar - half of them took the land crossing instead of taking the sea crossing in the south of Estalia - those who went by land formed the Border Princes, and never even sw combat other than against the Greenskins of the Badlands.
So, you've got the Knights who crushed a millenia old civilisation supported by the Warpstone engines of the Skaven and the Daemons of the Desert (Djinn), and were vastly outnumbered and technologically and psychologically outclassed. However, Grail Knights have been chosen to be the greatest Knights of a Goddess, who have physically drank from her cup. Their weaponry and armour is blessed.
I agree that the Empire is fragmented but under Karl Franz it is a lot more cohesive than it has ever been. As a lover of all things gunpowder a cannonball to the face is going to do in most Knights, the green Knight may be impervious, but let's see how he stands up to a Sigmarite Hammer kissing him on the cheek.
Unless the Lady decides to take part in the battle - which unlike Sigmar, she does regularly. Check out the story of the battle on top of L'Anguille Lighthouse - where a Breton Lord defeated a Chaos Lord in single combat - said Chaos Lord being powerful enough to hold a horde together along the lines of Aelfric Cyenwulf, Surtha Lenk and Crom the COnqueror, each of which devastated Kislev or the settlements the length of the Old World before they were stopped - whereas Marcus (?) with the blessing of the Lady stopped them before they went further than the beachhead at L'Anguille.
Then there's the story of Gilles the Uniter - where he and several of his nearest and dearest single handedly defeated hordes of Greenskins, simply because the Lady wished it to be so.
If you imagine a load of Knights cresting an open hill running towards the Empire lines, they cross the hill and are faced with a horde of pikemen (an infantrymen's dream against cav), behind them is an Empire gunline, unleashing hell, coupled with spells blasting at them.
If you imagine the horns of the Breton Knight Lances charging towards the Empire Lines on the finest warhorses supported by the blessing of the lady with Pegasus Knights and Hippogryffs hunting down the Gunlines, while the Empire lines are pounded by huge chunks of masonry thrown by Trebuchets, while Peasants whipped up to fight harder while in the presence of the greatest Knights of the Bretons and the blessing of the lady, yeah. Battle Tactics actually work both ways rather than just the most suitable for your case.
As someone has already said, there are dangers when comparing with the real world, but it's like comparing medieval France against Civil War England (on a technological scale).
Tbh, it's more Dark Age Frankish against Middle Age HRE. While the Franks were unified in times of need (as opposed to the Normans, South Frank/North Aragonese, Gallic, or Romo-Frank which were apparent), the HRE was a collection of vassals - which no Emperor post Charlemagne managed to effectively govern. Karl Franz's reign is extremely fractured - extreme political maneuvering between the Countess of Nuln, and the counts of Ostland Talabecland and Ostermark are high after their relative contribution in the Storm of Chaos. Middenheim is out as Todbringer is representative of the cult of Ulric, but the other 4 suffered heavily, and as such are seeking recompense.
A King in Bretonnia is not settled by a Chinese, but rather by the Lady of the Lake herself (through the Fay Enchantress), and no Knight will go against her will - aside from Mallobaude the Black Knight of Mousillon - who has one hell of an epic background as well - is he the King's Son? Is he the Red Duke of Aquitaine reborn? Is he a Peasant Knight?
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