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post #521 of 2448 (permalink) Old 05-27-11, 11:22 PM
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Speaking of Sister models, someone might've noticed before but even the Repentia squad is now gone - we're officially blister-only.

I suspect the only army in a sorrier state right now are the Squats, and it's looking more and more likely I'll be able to pick up space dwarves from Mantic before I can get Sisters from GW. I'm just glad I bought most of what I needed february last year - just in time.

As for SM chapters... Whatever one it is, other than the handful of people who insist Their Marines Are Different, who cares?

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As for SM chapters... Whatever one it is, other than the handful of people who insist Their Marines Are Different, who cares?
The 50+% of the hobby that plays them? It established the order of future releases. I get that you mostly care about your sisters of battle, but, in the grand scheme of things, they aren't an important army. A starter set for an editions is a big thing and, since it will probably be marines, it would be nice to know which one, because they are different, especially the BT.

However, this is the SoB rumor thread so, admittedly, we should stick to that.

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would be nice to know which one
It's not like it matters, it's just another SM with a different colour and some specialised rules if it's not the blue ones.
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It's not like it matters, it's just another SM with a different colour and some specialised rules if it's not the blue ones.
They are vastly different armies. BT play differently, look different, and have vastly different fluff compared to EVERY other marine force.

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Well, more time for me to expand my army I guess.

If it is indeed a WD dex as a stopgap, they might as well update some of the points costs in there to 5th ed.

They'd better
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They are vastly different armies. BT play differently, look different, and have vastly different fluff compared to EVERY other marine force.
No they are not, only difference is a few rules, that's the only difference between SW, BA, BT, DA. They have a few different rules from Vanilla that makes the more specialized in some way. BA are fast, BT have terminators, SW have their wolves and shit, DA have their bikes or something.

Fluff doesn't mean shit when it comes to rules, what is the difference between my Sisters killing for faith while BA kills for blood or IG for their commander. When you put down your models it wont make them any different. I might as well say I'm killing you to appease Nurgle but that doesn't give me any special powers.

If they could make the SM as different to each other as Eldar and Dark Eldar I'd be impressed but as it is every SM codex is just that, another SM codex. Heck even the new GKs turned into another SM codex, this time it's the psychic Spheezze Mehreeenez.

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All SM chapters should be in the Vanilla SM book, all you have to do is copy paste the army rules and special rules on 2 pages from each SM codex and you are pretty much good to go if you add 1 page with the "unique" units each SM dex has.

And dont start with how much bigger it would be, it would max be 20 pages more and they could easily remove some fluff or painting guides.

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Well, more time for me to expand my army I guess.

If it is indeed a WD dex as a stopgap, they might as well update some of the points costs in there to 5th ed.

They'd better
Pfft, the only thing they will do is update the current PDF with the removal of the Inquisitors, Assassins and IST plus Karmazov. If GW has thought me one thing it's that they never make a PDF update that's worth it's download space.
They didn't do any updates at all with the PDFs before so why should they start now? The above is most likely the only thing they will do.

/rant over

If they do indeed update the codex it will be VERY small changes, the above changes plus Rhinos now cost 35pts and they will call it a redone codex.
There is no reason they would update anything else unless there will be a model release with the PDF. Did they release any new models with the BA PDF? If they added something it would be the Repressor, it's the easiest kit to redo in plastic and is just 1 sprue to add to the Rhino box. They might even just sell the upgrade sprue but that wouldn't make any sense since then they couldn't charge you full kit price... or they might just do that...
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All SM chapters should be in the Vanilla SM book, all you have to do is copy paste the army rules and special rules on 2 pages from each SM codex and you are pretty much good to go if you add 1 page with the "unique" units each SM dex has.
I disagree strongly, I think that Black Templars and Space Wolves NEED a separate codex.
Blood Angels are different enough to deserve one, but it isn't an absolute necessity.
Dark Angels, however, in their current state, are similar enough for merging into the vanilla codex to not be a bad idea, basically their only significant difference is their Bikes, Terminators, and Sammael / Belail.
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No they are not, only difference is a few rules, that's the only difference between SW, BA, BT, DA. They have a few different rules from Vanilla that makes the more specialized in some way. BA are fast, BT have terminators, SW have their wolves and shit, DA have their bikes or something.

Fluff doesn't mean shit when it comes to rules, what is the difference between my Sisters killing for faith while BA kills for blood or IG for their commander. When you put down your models it wont make them any different. I might as well say I'm killing you to appease Nurgle but that doesn't give me any special powers.

If they could make the SM as different to each other as Eldar and Dark Eldar I'd be impressed but as it is every SM codex is just that, another SM codex. Heck even the new GKs turned into another SM codex, this time it's the psychic Spheezze Mehreeenez.
You're out of your mother fucking mind.

The game is a representation of the fluff, it means a lot.

Again, you can't just throw in all the codices to make a giant SM codex. One: it would be huge and cost a fucking fortune. Two: It would end up a bland POS. I might agree to a codex for non-codex adhering astartes and one for codex adherents, but not one giant one. Really SW need there own and so do BT, the rest can go into their own, but those two function on a vastly different level.

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No they are not...
Now I'm typically not one to advocate civil discourse (love reading internet drama) and there are some chapters that I'd like to see have their own codex (I have this thing for white scars) and some not (DA/BT), but things being what they are now with Sisters clearly being on the way in some form or another:

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MadCowCrazy I agree completely and absolutely with your rant! stupid space marines and their different codices with a few differences and they claim they are completely different. Just because they have something more overpowered than the rest. meh I say fick'em and that's why I don't play them, I just painted the aobr marines and got fed up with them. Xenos and IG for me until a new SOB codex comes out.
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