For the love of Christ. While I can sympathize with the sentiment that the WD dex sucks (which no one will deny that it's not as good as what we SHOULD have gotten for Sisters instead) launching verbal assaults on people because they don't agree with you is ridiculous. This isn't Warseer or DakkaDakka, if you want to do that crap take it back there.
Additionally the ENTIRE POINT of actually playing a GAME is to win. You're trying to complete more of a particular objective by whatever means necessary given a points limit, codex and models. If you're NOT playing to win then you're obviously just painting armies and never fielding them. To claim that you never "play to win" is a load of crock anyone with half a brain knows it.
And by the way, YES you can play to win without being a cheating douchenugget or bringing some uber-rock list to crush your opponent with.
And YES you can in fact play to win AND be a good sport.
If you can't be a good sport and at the same time bring fun, challenging lists and play well enough to make it a good game (or teach your opponent where they're failing so THEY become better so they can be more of a challenge against you and not end with you continually tabling them) then maybe your in the wrong hobby. Just saying.
And before the whole idea of "playing for the fluff" gets tossed into the mix, consider this: Is it in the codex? Then guess what! IT'S CANON AND THEREFORE "FLUFFY". GW wrote the codex, and therefore determines what is "fluffy" not the internet. If you can't stand that, well, I can't help you there.
First point, I do not want to start any personal arguments.
I did allow myself to let a bit of my temper dye my post, to signify my annoyance of the topic in question, within what I deemed 'still civil'.
I'm not the kind of person, who goes to the football stadion, sitting calm the whole game and wondering why the people around me are making such a fuss, cheering their team, booing at bad referee decisions and rejoicing goals. To me that is passion and living it out is very much a part of why I play 40k.
If my picture of being civil does not apply to the one the community has, I'll gladly accept that, if I'm being told so by a moderator.
Second point, a) read my posts properly!
I do not have anything against people with differing options.
I did complain about being told what to do or think, ala "Get over it!".
b) read my post fully!
Just because I do not play just
to win, doesn't mean I do not try to to win at all. (Or did I put the 'just' in my original post so wrong? I wasn't really sure were to put it in that sentence to be honest)
c) don't read anything into my post I haven't written!
Where the hell did I say anything like "You couldn't play to win without cheating...!"?
Now back to discussing!
"...the ENTIRE POINT of actually playing a GAME is to win." So, spending a joyful evening with your buddies playing a game of 40k is completely pointless just because you lose?!? You can't be serious! If you are, you're a very pitiful human being.
On the 'What GW writes is law'-thing. You're right, GW can write any fluff they want (Orks being pacifists, Black Templars being cowards, Dark Eldar being kind-hearted, Space Wolfs being shaved, ...) but there are borders as to how far we, the community (the "internet", the players, the customers) are willing to follow. No community, no customers (nearly none, some will always buy anything!) no sales!
The opinion of the community is shaped by the opinions of its members. GW doesn't seem to care about our opinion and your very right in assuming, that I can't stand that! But why the hell do we have forums like this, if not to hear other opinions, enabling us to get a picture of what the rest of the community thinks and feels?
Damn I could argue all night but I have to get some sleep (and sorry for not fiddling out everything being clarified by posts in the meantime), so good night and (since this threat is closing on Friday) thanks to all you mates, its been fun participating in this lively threat and special thanks to MCC!