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However... Making the EXACT SAME miniatures that they produced before (extra detail is a bunch of bull if they still use the same mastermini's for their mold making) out of a CHEAPER material (compared to pewter at least) shouldn't be giving some of the silly price hikes we are seeing now.
I keep saying this to people - stop judging before we actually know whats happening.

Firstly we dont know if they are using the same molds or new ones. Have they gone back to the original master and made new molds that are actually better and crisper than the old ones. I dont know - do you?

As for raising the prices, but using a cheaper material, well there are two things wrong with that. Firstly, we have utterly no idea what the resin is that they are going to use and also, that assumes that the majority of the cost of the model is the materials. Well the first one is likely to be true, it is most likely that the resin is cheaper than the metal, the second one is not true. The majority of the cost of the model is in fact nothing to do with its production, its payiing for the model designers (yes I know they are old models) and for the up keep of the shops. Add to that the fact that GW have had to produce entirely new molds and casting technigues and you might begin to realise why the price might have gone up a bit.

All I will say to 'sign off' is at least wait until the 28th for the offical announcement before getting your nickers in a twist. Then kick off if you think its necessary when you have all the facts.

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I just got done looking at the prices on the spreadsheet, needless to say I am not happy. However, I don't plan on leaving the hobby over this.

I plan on splurging and getting the other units I need to field a large army (tries not to think about the half-dozen boxes sitting nearby not yet open). And then like others, plan on buying and stripping second-hand minis from eBay.

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I'm sorry, you aren't living on planet earth then. Crude is $95 a barrel and Brent crude is $110 a barrel. Its the most expensive it's been since 2008 and the price is GOING UP at the current rate of growth prices will hit an all time record later this year.
That's still substantially lower than the 140-160 dollars a barrel price point it was at in 2008 and wouldn't explain the last system wide price increase they declared when it was at 40-50 dollars a barrel.

EDIT: And it's fairly obvious that the rise in speculated price over the past couple months is in response to the Jasmine Revolution. However as the region stabilizes that ought to go down. It actually already has in response to the death of Bin Laden.

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Well, I think at this point GW have backed themselves into a corner with their business model.

By offering both retail locations and online sales, they have to sell online and in store for the same cost, otherwise they are undercutting themselves and undermining their store traction.

They should be reducing brick and mortar stores and moving to more online sales to reduce overhead (and prices). Further, by selling wholesale they were allowing other (mostly online) retailers to undercut them which is problematic especially when taking into account the divergent costs of bulk shipping and national currencies. So a GW store selling in Australia ends up costing significantly more than online retail sold from another market.

No matter how cool their games are, I think GW are about to price themselves out of more of their own market.

As a luxury good (non-necessity), the more expensive they are the fewer people can afford it. Of course, they have the primary market cornered, but not the secondary or tertiary.

A part of the move to resin I suspect also has to do with the "strip and repaint" part of the secondary market. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that it is harder to do that with their new resin.

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It's all a bummer. I like what they make but this does sound like the road to annihilation.
There is one big problem with your suggestion of moving to more online rather than brick'n'mortar shops:

GW games are social things. You can't play them alone in a basement like you can MMPORGs or other computer games. GW has built itself on providing places for people toget together and socialise, and play games together. That's why they use brick and mortar shops, and why they'll never go to fully online. And why, unfortunatly, the prices won't be as cheap as for fully online companies.

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I looked over the prices, and along with the switch to resin rather than metal (I almost only use metal models) it just means my $ will go to ebay sales and craigslist buys rather than the GW store.

I won't leave the game/hobby over this, and I am glad to see they are keeping the B&M stores (I happen to think they need to open more of them in some states), the hike in price of almost 30% on some things, is enough to keep my dollar going other places.

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Well I started doing photography for a hobby 7 - 8 years ago and trust me this pales in comparison.

The first time you drop $4,400.00 on a camera you will think "Damn Warhammer is cheap"

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Its not just international. Prices are up in the UK and even more so now this new resin shizzle is coming in.

I find it hard to see with these prices how they will entice new players to the hobby. Maybe thats the problem; they aren't getting new players so have to make up on lost sales by increasing already expensive prices. Think I might have to call it quits on the hobby.
That's the same thing I was thinking. Its basic economics: theres supply and demand and an equilibrium price where the two meet. They must not have many new people joining (quantity) so they are relying on the people who are already in the hobby, figuring that they are devoted and won't care as much about price increases. But if the problem is a lack of new players then GW is going to keep losing profit anyway as people eventually opt out of the hobby.

Personally I was considering starting a 2nd army but now that prices are going up again I will definitely not be doing so. I might buy a couple boxes to add on to what I have and then I'll stop buying GW products.
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Well I started doing photography for a hobby 7 - 8 years ago and trust me this pales in comparison.

The first time you drop $4,400.00 on a camera you will think "Damn Warhammer is cheap"
yup, every other hobby I have heard of or tried is expensive as hell. I get more enjoyment out of a 24 (now 30) buck box of wyches than out of a 60 buck videogame or my 200 buck paintball gun.
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yeah I guess all in all it is still cheaper than airsoft, paintball, cars, drugs, women, video games, and music equipment. What other hobbies are there? lets see, reading...probably cheaper....pottery making? I have no idea.

Oh yeah sports. Thats probably the best option I suppose. Working out would be a free one, well unless you have a gym membership but that aint too bad usually. sometimes its horrible though.

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yup, every other hobby I have heard of or tried is expensive as hell. I get more enjoyment out of a 24 (now 30) buck box of wyches than out of a 60 buck videogame or my 200 buck paintball gun.
Right? I know a guy that buys classic cars and re-builds them. Talk about some mega $$$

I dropped a few hundred on new Grey Knights a few weeks ago and then I dropped $849.00 on a new lens this week. Nice things cost money.

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